<p>Well I will not tell you the name of my company because that would be a bit to personal not to mention inappropriate. Since there is only one corporate office it would be pretty obvious exactly where I work and I am not comfortable giving that much information over the internet to prove an obvious point to a stranger. We are a Fortune 500 company. I am 22 and have been doing my job for several years. I could care less if you believe me or not because the truth is if it is between me and a four year umm....it is going to be me hands down. I think it is funny that I do actually work for one of these companies you speak of but you believe yourself to be better informed. Sad ignorance. You keep your elitist attitude and I will keep my career. :)</p>
<p>And Colin, I'm curious. What makes you so qualified to speak on behalf of fortune 500 companies? Excluding the fact that parents may or may not work for those companies. Any actual first hand experience?</p>
<p>Apparently first hand experience does not prove anything LOL</p>
<p>well iknow for a fact that most financial firms (investment banks) check transcripts regularly, dunno about the other f500.</p>
<p>Investment banks are their own league. I do not work in IB so I do not know how they hire.</p>
<p>First- It's completely inappropriate to ask for the name of someone's company and it's really irrelevant to College Confidential. </p>
<p>Second- That's fine that those companies (and others, I'm sure) require transcripts. I don't think anyone contested that some companies do. Really, it shouldn't even be an issue. I'm just saying that it's an awfully broad blanket statement to say that "ZOMG you're a transfer and EVERYONE in the whole world wants to see your transcript and they're gunna find out and they like 4 years better and so you're never going to get a job, you failure. Evar."*</p>
<p>*Slight hyperbole, but close.</p>
<p>Also Colin do you not believe that many transfer students already have jobs? According to you this already puts them at an advantage. I guarantee you the number of transfer students that already have careers (not mall jobs) is ridiculously higher than that of 4 years who have careers. You seem to think of transfer students as lazy and unmotivated maybe this is more a reflection of how you think of yourself. That sounds sarcastic but I am being serious. That could be why I see transfer students as intelligent and hard working.</p>
<p>Well Allie I wouldn't have said that about him, but he did say that he "pockets 10k" from financial aid... so I assumed that's what he meant.</p>
<p>of those who are wondering why i'm getting 6 or 7k from fafsa, i don't know why you guys are so surprised because i know many many people from my cc and other cc getting the exact same amout (i guess we're all poor? but they're not as poor as i do though)</p>
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<p>Putting words into my mouth are you? I don't recall ever saying that not many transfer students have jobs. Care to explain where you got that?</p>
<p>You all are saying that I believe transfer students are lesser people and that they are lazy, unmotivated ect... where do you get that? I repeatedly said that I had one point to make and only one point... that if all things are held constant or equal... and the only difference between a students is that one went to UCLA as a freshman and one transfered in.. the 4 year would have the advantage. That's all I'm saying. I never said JC students are all lazy ect, you all decided to put words into my mouth. </p>
<p>Student A : 4.2 GPA 1400+ SAT (old sat) worked hard to get into UCLA and continued to work hard at UCLA earning a 3.5 GPA for all 4 years</p>
<p>Student B : 2.0 GPA 1000+ SAT didn't really work hard, but went to a local CCC and got a 3.5 and transfered into UCLA and also earned a 3.5 GPA for the remaining 2 years at UCLA.</p>
<p>Now which student worked harder? That is my only point. I'm not saying in any way that the CCC student didn't work hard... read my point again. I said who worked hard(er). And shouldn't the student who worked harder have the advantage when they come out? Doesn't that make sense? I mean all you TAP UCLA certified people.... is it fair that you get priority consideration for admission over everyone else? Well yes... because you worked harder by taking those honors classes... same thing here.</p>
<p>Actually it is a question not a statement. Did you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence. This means I am looking for an answer from you. I am not saying you feel one way or the other. My main point is that for transfer students this will most likely not be their first job. Also it seems that most of your posts are directed at how little opportunities transfer students have. Why then did you choose to become a transfer? </p>
<p>The problem with your statement is that you made a general statement about all transfers. It was wrong and you have been corrected.LOL and I was told by the UCLA counselor that TAP only helps those with lower gpa's get considered Other than that it is not very helpful. I am not sure which universe you live in but it is definitely not the same one as me. It sounds like your parents are not happy that you are a transfer student and you are taking it out on us.</p>
<p>Moonboy,</p>
<p>Your finances are your business. No need to explain. I get no financial aid but for some reason schools send me information when I put them on the FAFSA so I do it for that. :)</p>
<p>And there are always the exceptions... say a person got into UCLA or Berkeley but couldn't afford it so went to a CCC. But lets be honest... the majority of transfer students went to CCC because they did in fact not get into their choice of UC. (Don't misinterpret me and say that everyone who went to CC is going because they didn't get into a UC... because I will hit you.. hard :D) But thats the reality. Sure there are some people who got into Harvard but couldn't afford it so opted elsewhere, but the majority of people who got into there are attending now. Same goes for the UC's... if you got into a top UC and are poor, if you have the grades you will and shall get a free ride with all expenses payed for. I know many people who have full rides because they have the grades from highschool.</p>
<p>well there are definite disadvantages of transferring. You do miss out on a lot of things for example, i want to rush for a frat but i probably won't do it my first semester of the college because i want to study hard and gauge how hard the academics are. That leaves me with 3 semesters to rush; thats not enough time to form a long lasting bond with the frat and assume leadership positions etc... I also want to travel abroad, but again i only have four semesters at my school so it might not happen. I for one wish i got into the school of my choice when i first applied so i could do all these things and utilize all the opportunities that my school has to offer before i graduate. HOwever, i do understand that i probably would have done poorly had i gone to a top school right after highschool since i was <em>gasp</em> much lazier and more immature than i am now. I am really lucky that i get to essentially start over because i did kind of mess up at my old school and i didn't work up to my full potential.</p>
<p>Yeah, I am definitely a bit different then that. The only frat I would be interested in is the bus frat at Berk. I am married so I dont want the "college experience". I also travel a lot with my hubby. Hoping to go to Italy pretty soon. :) So I got traveling covered. My choice to become a transfer student was well planned out so I do not believe I missed out on anything. I am the exception not the rule of course.</p>
<p>Colin,</p>
<p>the majority of ccc students I know went there because they did not want to waste money before they knew what they wanted to do but I guess birds of a feather...anyway no more arguing. :)</p>
<p>"But lets be honest... the majority of transfer students went to CCC because they did in fact not get into their choice of UC"</p>
<p>i disagree with you there colin, i know loads of people(immigrant chinese) from my hs went to a cc because they came during their here during hs and they simply don't feel that going straight to uc is the best path for them (some do it to save money)</p>
<p>these people were extremely smart and their gpa > 4.0</p>
<p>these people didn't even bother taking the sat and applying
on the other hands, the ones who did got into school of their choice (ucla, berk, one of them cal tech)</p>
<p>this happens every year at my hs</p>
<p>Colin- My issue with your point is that I simply don't believe that freshman admits necessarily work harder than transfers. It's a completely different process that people go through for a very, very wide variety of reasons. Just because it doesn't require what freshmen admissions requires doesn't mean that a transfer works any less than a freshman. It's just a different kind of work. I don't think that freshman admits are any more deserving of a job just because they chose to do different kind of work than I did.</p>
<p>^Nicely put Allie</p>
<p>Moonboy, yes that happens a lot. Wanna know why? It's not because they didnt feel "ready" for the work... they had over 4.0's in HS, of course they can handle it. Its because they have not yet registered their residency... meaning they are paying 3 times as much for each class as the regular person. So some go to CC for 2 years and pay the international tuition. (To them, paying around $100 per unit at a CCC, is better than paying 5 times that at a UC). Then once they establish residency, then they pay the normal rate. Because honestly... come on lets not be dumb here. If they had the ability to go to UCLA from highschool they would do it. Money to some of them is a big issue .... and remember they have to pay the international tuition, unlike us.</p>