UCB or UCLA? Here's what I have to say.

<p>"GEE I WONDER WHY?? Screw Bush! He stole 2000, and 2004. "</p>

<p>Hey West Side doesnt Congress pass tax laws while the Executive just influences them? Okay then....just wanted to let you know before you go off and sound even more ignorant. And stealing is such the wrong word, its more..."won the elections of".</p>

<p>Im sorry. Are you familiar with the world wide web at your disposal?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.freepress.org/images/departments/997.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.freepress.org/images/departments/997.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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2004: presidential - Recaps Exit Poll Controversy
"Exit Polls Leave Little Doubt in a Free and Fair Election John Kerry Would Have Won..." This paper provides links to all the academic discussions of both unadjusted and adjusted Exit Polls in the 2004 Presidential Race.

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<p><a href="http://uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_weblinks&catid=101&Itemid=4%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_weblinks&catid=101&Itemid=4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Okay, so I just came back from a meeting with a director at the NSC. I asked about UCLA's reputation in the civil service. She replied, "Really REALLY excellent. It's considered a top-tier, fantastic school."</p>

<p>When I asked someone working for State, he replied, "Top notch."</p>

<p>And finally, someone working for the offices of John Kerry, and a Presidential Management Fellow: "Sterling."</p>

<p>So, will that maybe settle the debate about UCLA's quality to all the naysayers around here. Probably not.</p>

<p>the reason why ucla is so popular is because its los angeles. sure, it may have some good departments, but a large reason it because it's los angeles.</p>

<p>the reason why ucla is so popular is because its los angeles. </p>

<p>Uh huh, right. Yep, you've caught us, the only reason UCLA is popular is because it's in LA and has 'some' good departments. Mhm these grad school programs don't mean much. I mean, they're only 'some'.
Business: UCLA 11
Law: UCLA 15
Medicine Primary Care: UCLA 33
Medicine Research: UCLA 11
Engineering: UCLA 15
Education: UCLA 2</p>

<p>..NO.</p>

<p>notice how you added "only." did i say only?</p>

<p>..NO.</p>

<p>even if don't don't agree, I doubt you would disagree that a considerable portion of UCLA's popularity is due to it's location.</p>

<p>^ so it couldn't possibly be the fact that UCLA is a great school huh? Gotta be the location... damn now why didn't the rest of us think of that?
So maybe if USC just up and moved over to Westwood it would become a good school ;)</p>

<p>And while I agree that Californians were idiots to elect Arnold, whoever said that Bush "stole" elections is pretty foolish. There is no way to "steal" an election - both of Bush's victories were perfectly legal with the system of election we have now. People who are upset that their guy lost (whenever and whoever it is) need to get over it and work on something other than complaining for four years.</p>

<p>It also has a top 10 research library. Of the 36 Ph.D. programs examined by the National Research Council, UCLA had 31 rank in the top 20 in terms of faculty quality. Twelve departments were ranked in the top 10.</p>

<p>Yeah, there's no reason to choose to go to UCLA.</p>

<p>"the reason why ucla is so popular is because its los angeles. "</p>

<p>Uhh...buddy? You said, and I quote, as indicated by these quotation marks around the quote, "the reason". Come on now...</p>

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There is no way to "steal" an election - both of Bush's victories were perfectly legal with the system of election we have now. People who are upset that their guy lost (whenever and whoever it is) need to get over it and work on something other than complaining for four years.

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<p>2-9 million votes were stolen or frauded through electronic tampering in this last election. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/11-18-2004/0002464301&EDATE=%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/11-18-2004/0002464301&EDATE=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Berkeley's #1 ranked Sociology department and their top ranked Statistics department released this study that 260,000 votes were stolen in Florida during the 2004 election. </p>

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Statistical Analysis - the Sole Method for Tracking E-Voting - Shows
Irregularities May Have Awarded 130,000 - 260,000 or More Excess Votes to Bush
in Florida</p>

<pre><code> Research Team Calls for Investigation

BERKELEY, Calif., Nov. 18 /PRNewswire/ -- Today the University of
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<p>California's Berkeley Quantitative Methods Research Team released a
statistical study - the sole method available to monitor the accuracy of e-voting - reporting irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000-260,000 or more excess votes to President George W. Bush in Florida in the 2004 presidential election. The study shows an unexplained discrepancy between votes for President Bush in counties where electronic voting machines were used versus counties using traditional voting methods - what the team says can be deemed a "smoke alarm." Discrepancies this large or larger rarely arise by chance - the probability is less than 0.1 percent. The research team formally disclosed results of the study at a press conference today at the UC Berkeley Survey Research Center, where they called on Florida voting officials to investigate.

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<p>This release follows up on Berkeley's research.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.freepress.org/images/departments/997.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.freepress.org/images/departments/997.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>alright, shinseki12.</p>

<p>but I doubt you or anyone else would disagree that a considerable portion of UCLA's popularity is due to it's location.</p>

<p>and hey, i'm not here to bash about ucla, because in fact it is a great school.</p>

<p>so by that you mean that if ucla was located somewhere less desirable, the majority of college-bound seniors wouldnt want to apply there?</p>

<p>hmm yale isnt in a desirable location. its still mighty popular. </p>

<p>loyola marymount is in LA. how come it's not popular?</p>

<p>QUOTE:</p>

<p>Business: UCLA 11
Law: UCLA 15
Medicine Primary Care: UCLA 33
Medicine Research: UCLA 11
Engineering: UCLA 15
Education: UCLA 2</p>

<p>--- END QUOTE----</p>

<p>Engineering: Cal 3
Business: Cal 3</p>

<p>yea yea keep going... </p>

<p>dude look at that. You're throwing out #s that are good b ut not GREAT. You guys just can't top Cal and the other great schools out there. Now stop hyping a school that's at the same level as U Washington and UT Austin.</p>

<p>Top 15 isn't great? Damn. Well, then Cal students should be upset, 'cause number 2 is just the first loser.</p>

<p>uhh how is cal business #3? im pretty sure everyone would agree that at least harvard, stanford, and penn/wharton are ranked higher. US News (which you got your rankings from) says its #6. </p>

<p>cal medicine: boo hoo we dont have a medical school but we'll hijack UCSF and pretend we have one... but no seriously, UCSF is part of UC Berkeley...</p>

<p>cal education #7: oh no we're below STANFORD again! OMG OMG UCLA IS ranked higher than STANFORD!! (ucla #2) OMG how did this happen?!?!?!</p>

<p>hey, even i have to admit that cal is better than ucla overall when it comes to graduate and professional schools. but with almost everything in the top 15, how can you say ucla is overhyped? </p>

<p>man, even we can say we're at a similar level as stanford sometimes:</p>

<p>medicine research: stanford #8, ucla #11
education: ucla #2, stanford #3</p>

<p>This debate is fruitless. qwerasdf is just out to show everyone how big his academic phallis is. </p>

<p>Enough is enough.</p>

<p>k4c4u, go ahead and list the same departments ucla, cal and stanford share and their respective usnews rankings and then compare; your basis that ucla is at a "similar level as stanford sometimes" is based on merely two departments while making this big generalization.</p>

<p>what's good for Education? (ie. what kind of jobs... other than teachers lol?)</p>

<p>and waht kind of majors would be considered Education..?</p>

<p>I PMed you kfc4u.</p>

<p>"man, even we can say we're at a similar level as stanford sometimes"</p>

<p>was meant to be hyperbole with a dose of truth in it. but i did say...</p>

<p>"hey, even i have to admit that cal is better than ucla overall when it comes to graduate and professional schools. "</p>

<p>"what's good for Education? "</p>

<p>hey don't diss my minor. besides, if the world didn't have teachers, there wouldn't be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. </p>

<p>and you can't major in education, at least in california. it's for graduate school only. education is important to develop education policy, administrators, people in charge of curriculum, educational psychology, special education, topics in elementary, secondary, and higher education, producing teachers, counseling, education accessibility, etc. it's the driving force behind all your schooling that we all take for granted. </p>

<p>"I PMed you kfc4u."</p>

<p>thanks brandnew2. LOL nice info</p>