<p>Did anyone get invitations for both of these events? Raza Day is on May 15 (Friday) while AAP Transfer Scholars Day is on May 16, the next day on Sat. </p>
<p>They seem pretty similar from the descriptions, and I'm wondering what the main difference is.</p>
<p>These were the only 2 events I was invited to, I guess because they know I'm part hispanic. Is the main difference that Raza is more hispanic-oriented while AAP is general a general minorities type of thing? And I'm still a little confused why those who get invites to these seem to not get invites to the general Transfer Admit Day (which apparently is on the same Sat. as AAP event)?</p>
<p>Thanks for any feedback.</p>
<p>i’m calling ********- so they outlaw affirmative action in ca, but still find a way to enforce its spirit. i don’t mean to offend anyone. it just burns my ass. these types of programs were created to assist blacks, because the system had kept them chained down the longest. but now it’s just if you are part of an ethnic minority considered “poor”. it stings to be the first born natural citizen in my family, but have the color of my skin dictate any privileges i receive/don’t receive. asian people aren’t considered minority “enough” either, regardless of how dirt poor their parents arrived in this country. </p>
<p>my boyfriend thinks the system should be changed so that income will be used as a factor to determine priority admittance and that it should be the needy getting special events, as it is inherently prejudice to be believe some ethnicity’s need more help than others. and there’s the whole reverse discrimination problem…
of course, his idea just opens up a new can of worms.</p>
<p>well, well, in the end it just sucks for me. everyone who attends these things, make the most out of it so that one day we can stop this bs labeling that is unfair to both sides.</p>
<p>@Sopheee there in no such thing as “reverse discrimination.” there is only discrimination (it doesnt matter what color you are discrimination is discrimination). and as someone who was invited to this day as a result of the color of my skin i completely agree income should be a factor as well. But this organization and many others like it were founded not by the school but by activist minority groups. So my advice to you is to vioce your opinion to others like you and unite to have your voice heard. that is how you can achieve what you desire if you are really serious about it. (just an activist myself)</p>
<p>How do those events enforce the spirit of affirmative action?</p>
<p>What do Asian American Association divisions enforce? And their events?</p>
<p>Go to statfinder and look up stats. You can actually sort them according to ethnicity. I guarantee that you will not see more than a .1-.2 GPA discrepancy between Hispanics and Asians.</p>
<p>[University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/]University”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/)</p>
<p>Do your homework, then try and make a real argument. There’s nothing worse than ranting about a touchy subject with absolutely no substantiation, evidence, and purpose.</p>
<p>I’m both Asian and Hispanic…</p>
<p>…and well, thanks grey. [:</p>
<p>There does seem to be a large difference between the GPAs of Hispanic transfers and Asians. 43% of Hispanic applicants to UCLA had below a 3.2 while only 32% of Asian transfers had below a 3.2. While 35% of Asian transfer applicants had a 3.6 or higher, and just 23% of Hispanic transfers had 3.6 or higher. Despite the difference the Hispanic group had an almost identical admit rate overall. 34.5% for Hispanics to 35% of Asians, which does strike me as slightly biased.</p>
<p>Grey, I don’t know part of what you’re talking about, because posting up stats to attempt refute a point I didn’t make is… strange. </p>
<p>I’m making the affirmative action comparison because it’s a university organization. Not a club, not a scholarship committee, a full-fledged undergraduate division of the university. </p>
<p>CBB: you did point out something interesting, perhaps the organization exists because some group was pushing for it, and not because the university believed minorities are in need of any special help. I don’t know where in the world to begin dealing with discriminatory issues; I don’t even know if there are clear answers. It’s probably like the world-systems theory: one group has to be exploited for another group to prosper. Icky, right? Ok, I’ll shut up now. Sorry for thread-jacking.</p>
<p>Yeah, I understand how you’d feel that way, but I was just hoping someone might actually in some way answer my question(s) 
Looks like not?</p>
<p>Update for any who might care: just got a call today for the Raza event. Apparently they even do an overnight thing. Which would save gas money if I want to go to both events. Since I want to make sure to take advantage of general resources UCLA offers, I’m planning on checking both out. But I really am wondering about the whole not getting an invite to the general transfer admit thing so I can see where some of you may be coming from, since the idea of getting invited <em>only</em> to these and not that one is rather unsettling.</p>
<p>Dem BONES, you’re obviously not taking into consideration how many asians vs hispanics are applying, 35 vs 34.5 is extremely different when you apply it to applicants.</p>
<p>if only 100 hispanics apply vs 400-1000 asians apply how many more asians are getting in compared to hispanics</p>
<p>I took that into account. Obviously, you didn’t. It doesn’t matter how many got in. The point is the percentage that got in. If an equal PERCENTAGE is getting in when the two groups are clearly unmatched academically then the Hispanics are getting in with weaker stats. There will always be more Asians applying. The point is that it shouldn’t matter how many Asians get in, but rather the quality of students that get in. The Hispanics are being showed a little leniency.</p>
<p>Dem Bones, I’ll admit that I was under the influence when I wrote what is stated above. The UCs place added value on “non academic statistical information”, if you were asian and poor, qualified for the fee waiver you get more points added to your application than if you weren’t poor. That’s an added hardship you had to face that most likely influenced the ability for you to get higher “academic statistical information”. I don’t know what it’s like for asian cultures, but relative to my family and my hispanic culture(my uncles and aunts, cousins), no one has received any form of higher education. My dad and mom came from a third world country, my dad being the equivalent of a farm worker here in the states, and I believe receiving up to a middle school education. My mom is another story=growing up in the city, completed high school but ever since coming to the states, she’s had to work hours that were hours most parents are home to help their children with their homework etc. When parents like my father can’t help you with homeworkl pass a middle school education(and thats assuming that a middle school education in a 3rd world country is equivalent to one here, which we know its not) a kid faces more challenges than someone who has parents who are generally known to enforce education and studying throughout their youth.</p>
<p>If everything was a matter of academics at the undergrad level, more schools would operate the way law schools do=gpa and lsat score, but we know that’s not the case because otherthings do matter at the undergrad level=an overall experience including non academic things.
As a minority, it’s easy to not ever feel like a minority if one keeps to their relative culture. The same goes for the majority. If the majority is just exposed to their majority, they’ll be familiar with 1 or few ways of life. I don’t know about you, but it took me being placed in the position where I was really the minority(or at least reminded of it)to appreciate the diversity I never had in my LAUSD or inner city life(this happened at a former private college I attended). By diversity I mean non-black, and non-hispanic, because black culture and hispanic culture was the NORM for me. </p>
<p>Even at that though, at schools like UCLA or any top schools throughout the country, the hispanics or minorities that attend these schools, I would presume are not as representative of the culture as they could be. They’re essentially the “creme of the crop” or borderline “creme of the crop”, afterall even at schools like UCLA or any top 25 schools there is still a game you have to “play” to get in, and that includes meeting minimum requirements, which based on my experience at LAUSD schools, the average wouldn’t meet the minimum requirements for a UC, nor the CSUs.</p>