<p>And flopsy, you are great man. You must become an adviser on campus too, you are one person who has answered all my questions in a second. Woohoo for flopsy. (Sorry indie_boy for stealing your mode of showing enthusiasm). Woohoo for flopsy!!!</p>
<p>"is it possible for them to take money under the table to boost up certain schools?... whats really stopping them from doing so?"</p>
<p>sure, but that contribution wouldn't be big compared to what they'd earn from the magazine in the first place. US NEWS EARNS 6 MONTHS WORTH OF PROFITS from their undergraduate and graduate ranking issues. </p>
<p>it seems like schools haven't been that unethical though. however, universities (especially private ones) do their best to make sure the ranking criteria is in their favor. the popular story is the cornell economist who convinced US News to adjust price of college based on cost of living.</p>
<p>funny how alot of private instutions are ranked above 30, as well as below and they all cost a similar amount. -unecesary comment.</p>
<p>for the californian, I imagine the ranking to be something like this:</p>
<p>non engineers:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard/Stanfurd</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>Lots of out of staters who want to live in LA will rank UCLA a lot higher than 25. Top 10-15 at least.</p>
<p>But I known many people at UCLA to pick UCLA over</p>
<p>UPenn, Brown, Dartmouth, Berkeley etc...</p>
<p>The location factor of Los Angeles plays a huge role for a lot of out of staters. For sciences, UCLA and the location factor would make it a top choice.</p>
<p>Right now, Los Angeles is the place to be.</p>
<p>Total number of home foreclosures (bankruptcies) as of April:</p>
<p>Texas : 9266
New York : 1783
Pennsylvania: 3459
California : 122 </p>
<p>Everyone is trying to move to California. These statistics are amazing considering that 1 out of 7 people in the US live in California. New York's economy is 60% of California's.</p>
<p>Would you mind telling the board who's #7 on that engineering list flopsy?</p>
<p>themegastud, you should stop insulting UCLA....you should not have mentioned the usnews ranking (esp engi)....if u really want to compare the ranking then here you go...</p>
<p>US NEWS Ranking - 2004</p>
<p>Overall Engineering
USC - #6 (wins)
UCLA - #16</p>
<h2>All the Engineering Dept Specific Rankings listed on US News:</h2>
<p>Aerospace/Aeronautical/Astronautical
UCLA - #12 (wins)
USC - #15</p>
<p>Biomedical/Bioengineering
USC - #20 (wins)
UCLA - N/A</p>
<p>Chemical
UCLA - #22 (wins)
USC - #41</p>
<p>Civil
UCLA - #34 (TIE)
USC - #34 (TIE)</p>
<p>Computer Engineering
UCLA - #13 (wins)
USC - #14</p>
<p>Electrical/Electronic/Communications
UCLA - #12 (wins)
USC - #14</p>
<p>Environmental/Environmental Health
USC - #38 (wins)
UCLA - N/A</p>
<p>Industrial/Manufacturing
USC - #15 (wins)
UCLA - N/A</p>
<p>Materials
UCLA - #23 (wins)
USC - #39</p>
<p>Mechanical
UCLA - #13 (wins)
USC - #31</p>
<p>~~~TALLY~~~
UCLA - 7 wins (WINNER...by a mile)
USC - 4 wins</p>
<p>Why is USC ranked higher in overall ? Maybe because they have more money (private tuition). Also, UCLA does not have a few depts which brings it's rank lower. But it is good in what it has and what it does.</p>
<p>Indie boy, since you seem to have registered, would you mind posting the sciences ranking? I'm curious as to what UCLA is ranked in the departments, especially bio</p>
<p>shinseki12, no im not regis...i just have the engi ranking for 2004...sorry</p>
<p>Oh ok, thanks anyway</p>
<p>indie boy, please point out where I've "insulted" UCLA. If you had bothered to do a little research instead of jumping to misinformed conclusions, you'd realize I often promote it and defend it when I see fit. </p>
<p>Further, what you posted is a HORRIBLE way to compare the schools. The fact that in every category they're so close means the differences are statistically insignificant. This is not a "my school lost by your tally so this is my pathetic rebuttal," but merely a "hey, do you think what you did is statistically sound?" </p>
<p>Heck, the differences overall between the schools, not just engineering, are statistically insignificant.</p>
<p>USC beat UCLA in football 29-24. Since the score was so close, does this mean UCLA is just as good as USC's championship team? By your reasoning, themegastud, it does.</p>
<p>man that game was a rip. We should have won that one.</p>
<p>Sorry fellow Bruins, I think I'm gonna have to side with themegastud on this one. If we zero in on only the top 50 schools (whatever those may be) in the United States then UCLA will probably be much better than USC. The problem is that there are thousands of college choices in this country. If there existed a true ranking of schools that was universally accepted and we placed them all on a number line we would not be able to tell the difference between even USC and whatever school was number 1. Harvard, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UCSD, MIT, etc would all look like a single dot on the upper end of the number line. It is not until we get close to the top, say 97% or so, that we can distinguish the difference between UCLA and USC.</p>
<p>Please dont kill me guys!!!</p>
<p>Agreed. If you were to have a two-dimensional scatterplot where schools are simply placed on a line ranging from "worst" to "best," The top 25 would basically be one blob at the very end. In a full spectrum analysis of American universities, there's so little difference it's absurd, but when you zoom in on the top 25, that's when it starts becoming apparent just how different UCLA and Harvard are for example.</p>
<p>"USC beat UCLA in football 29-24. Since the score was so close, does this mean UCLA is just as good as USC's championship team?"</p>
<p>LOL gogauchos. </p>
<p>*i dont think themegastud was insulting UCLA, but he basically wanted to hear USC ranked #6 in engineering (above UCLA) since that info was omitted in an earlier post by someone else.</p>
<p>Your list shows that reputation lags behind the reality.</p>
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<p>See, there is not UCLA in the list.</p>
<p>wow that means absolutely nothing. go ucla.</p>
<p>Alwaysthere,</p>
<p>Somehow I doubt that one job opening is conclusive evidence for any school's superiority.</p>
<p>lol, UCLA is definitely not in top 15.......................</p>
<p>look at the peer-accessment score.</p>
<p>yea, ucla is famous, coz it's in LA, and the name ucla sounds really cool, but that's it......</p>