<p>Haha, I must've missed that one. Was that off of his show, or one of his standup routines?</p>
<p>Show. It was made to be like an A&E history special. I just forget the name of the skit...damn.</p>
<p>UCLA, I got my stats from the fact that Berkeley has 2x as many people who recieved 1500+ on the SATI.
4.19 GPA from ucop. (0.09 difference from UCLA)
1350 SAT I from ucop. (20 odd points difference)</p>
<p>And this is the Berkeley board. If you want to praise UCLA, go to the UCLA board (even whem I'm on the LA board, I always support LA). Naturally, this board will be Cal oriented. </p>
<p>And theme, sad to say, but UCLA has 5000 more UG + grad students and they dont focus almost all their money on research like Cal does. Divide the wealth by the number of students and see what you get. Cal still has more departments in the top 10 than any other university, far more than LA does.</p>
<p>As for grad school, most agree that Cal > SD > LA. </p>
<p>I'm not bashing LA, but pointing out the facts like I've always done.</p>
<p>I'm not arguing that there is a difference, but you make UCLA sound like the redheaded stepchild of UC.</p>
<p>And your "facts" are oftentimes conjecture</p>
<p>i.e. (UCB>UCSD>UCLA)</p>
<p>I'm not bashing Berkeley, as you suggest, I'm merely arguing for a more balanced approach here. You think anyone who doesn't toe suck to Cal is bashing, and that's not true.</p>
<p>The question of whether a UCLA or Cal undergrad education is better than the other is too general. It is what you make of the undergraduate education; you can be a student that makes the most of the opportunities at your university or choose not to be. If you do opt for the former, the undergrad education you receive will be well worth it--regardless of where you go. </p>
<p>The quality of academics at both schools are top notch and it is difficult to measure because the definition of a "good" undergrad education differs from those who are doing the measuring. Some measure by SAT scores and GPA, others measure by the number of students accepted into grad schools, and still others measure by how many Nobel Laureates are on campus. As you see, there are many ways to measure the quality of academics. </p>
<p>In the end, it is the individual that makes the best of the undergrad education; who is to say that a Cal student is better than UCLA or vice versa? Is it fact? That's hard to say. It is the university which best serves your needs that will be the best tool not the university that arbitrarily is given the title "better" academics over another; what would be the purpose of a "better" university if you can't find what you need there?</p>
<p>UCB is hella good. UCLA sucks. SCREW LA. You know, LA is just overhyped. It's a good school I admit, but not that good. You can compare it to Washington or UT Austin. Who cares about those schools? Well they're good too, and LA is about their level. So why all the hype?</p>
<p>Berkeley on the other hand?? TOTAL NEW LEAGUE.</p>
<p>Compare faculty. I compared the College of Engineering vs HSSEAS. It was an easy choice. Cal > UCLA, and I'm glad I chose to go to Cal.</p>
<p>^^
Please, dont provoke any more UCLA students. They are annoyed by the slightest instigation, let alone something like that that even I think is overstating the point.</p>
<p>Lets just close this talk with a positive note that both schools are excellent and should cooperate rather than attack each other.</p>
<p>I'm not annoyed by the slightest instigation, just by trolls like qwerasdf who don't know his head from a hole in the ground.</p>
<p>^^
UCLAri, this is the Berkeley board. Do you see me go on the LA board and post crap about LA. Naturally, most board members there are overly patriotic, while the people here are slightly patriotic.</p>
<p>qwerasdf may be a troll, but it's the Berkeley board and that post is nothing out of the ordinary and even appropiate. He's a troll because he posts stuff like that on the UCLA board. </p>
<p>And honestly, i want to see you argue against the facts including the avg. grades of incoming freshman, avg SAT, and everything else that matters (found on ucop). Berkeley edges out LA in every single category, to varying degrees. So statistically, Cal>LA. </p>
<p>I'm not saying that it's significant, but if you want to go into all the technicalities, and count</p>
<p>According to the Princeton Review, at 23% and 25% respectively, UCLA has surpassed Berkeley in that area. Not that this alone makes UCLA better, or even more selective. I just wanted to point out that Berkeley doesn't lead UCLA in EVERY category. </p>
<p>Also, it's not as though trolling should be considered acceptable and appropriate. In all fairness bubbles, you've been pretty good. Qwerasdf, on the other hand, with statements like "LA sucks. SCREW LA" frankly just makes Berkeley students look bad, and I'm not even referring to his apparent dislike of college-level prose. It's one thing to come on the Berkeley board and be overwhelmed with pro-Cal people who (like Bubbles) can argue facts that support the claim that Cal is superior. It's another to have to deal with sophomoric statements and incoherent (often unintelligible) logic such as qwerasdf's, and have them be defended. Yes, I often promote USC but if some pro-USC person was to go on USC's board and argue "man, Berkely sucks. They're all commies and hippies and no one likes them anyways," I would point out for the sake of the thread that that poster is being a moron.</p>
<p>Actual high school students come on this board looking for advice as to where to go. Saying "LA's on the same level as Washington and UT-Austin and who cares about them" is neither intelligent, productive, nor close to being true. Congrats qwerasdf, you've officially lost credibility.</p>
<p>Cal and UCLA are both good schools... Just go to the one that best matches your circumstances and make the most out of your education. You can't go wrong with either of those names...</p>
<p>^^
Hope that's the conclusion. </p>
<p>And this year, Cal became the most selective school by a significant amount again.</p>
<p>Cal's selectivity this year was 27% according to the UC Berkeley news:</p>
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For fall 2004, about 24 percent of students who applied were admitted to the freshman class. For this fall, about 27 percent were admitted. The campus received 36,729 applications for fall 2004 freshman admissions and 36, 943 for fall 2005.
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<p>I'm unsure of UCLA's selectivity. Would you mine publishing it Bubbles since you indicated that Cal's was more selective by a "significant amount"?</p>
<p>I'll go ahead and post it. As taken from <a href="http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6057%5B/url%5D">http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6057</a> ...</p>
<p>Quote: "UCLA admitted 11,338 prospective freshmen for fall 2005 from among 42,207 applicants..."</p>
<p>According to handy-dandy Microsoft Calculator, this comes to 26.9%. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions.</p>
<p>Thanks for the stats.</p>
<p>26.9% about 27%.</p>
<p>Ergo, Berkeley's and UCLA's selectivity in terms of undergraduate admissions was about the same.</p>
<p>Ive read that Berkeley had below 24% acceptances this year
It was off of a uc website, and Berkeley sat scores and gpa's are higher
1354 vs 1340 and 4.19 vs 4.09, respectively berkeley vs la</p>
<p>UCLA's pool is bigger and Berkeley admits higher scorers with higher GPA's. But the difference is miniscule.</p>
<p>According to the official UCOP figures, here is the comparison:</p>
<p>UCLA - 4.11
Cal- 4.17</p>
<p>UCLA- 1341
Cal- 1354</p>
<p>The rest are about the same. If anybody thinks that a 13 point difference on the SAT is that statistically significant, then I suggest you take an Intro to Stats class.</p>
<p>Can't we all agree that the stats are basically the same and that both schools are equally as good? The difference, at least how I see it, is in prestige not quality. Cal has more prestige because it is older and generally looked at by outsiders as academically supperior. Is that true? I doubt it, but that's the way it is.</p>
<p>I think that definitely is part of it. Let's be honest here, Cal is over 50 years older, and that's bound to count for something! However, if you consider how quickly Cal and UCLA have risen to the top, it boggles the mind. Both are absolutely amazing schools in so many ways that it's hard not to be impressed.</p>