<p>Which school is better for undergraduate engineering?</p>
<p>I often hear that berkeley is overrated for it's undergraduate engineering because of it's great graduate research and funding. I hear of oversized classrooms, poor faculty, too many student teachers, etc...</p>
<p>Is this the same case at UCLA?</p>
<p>Either way, UCLA engineering is no where near the level of Berkeley engineering.</p>
<p>My sister who did her undergrad at Berkeley and grad at Stanford thinks that she learned more at Berkeley as an engineer major.</p>
<p>Engineering class sizes aren't too bad:</p>
<p>Course: BIOENGINEERING C145M P 001 LEC (course website)
Course Title: Introductory Microcomputer Interfacing Laboratory
Enrollment on 03/26/06: Limit:20 Enrolled:2 Waitlist:0 Avail Seats:18 </p>
<p>Course: BIOENGINEERING 121 P 001 LEC (course website)
Course Title: Introduction to Micro and Nanobiotechnology
Enrollment on 03/26/06: Limit:48 Enrolled:19 Waitlist:0 Avail Seats:29 </p>
<p>lab:
Course: ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING 43 P 019 LAB (course website)
Course Title: Introductory Electronics Laboratory (catalog description)
Enrollment on 03/26/06: Limit:5 Enrolled:1 Waitlist:0 Avail Seats:4 </p>
<p>Course: ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING 121 P 001 LEC (course website)
Course Title: Introduction to Digital Communication Systems
Enrollment on 03/26/06: Limit:50 Enrolled:8 Waitlist:0 Avail Seats:42 </p>
<p>but right, the required engineering courses tend to be big, but still not as severe as those in college of letters and science</p>
<p>Course: BIOENGINEERING 100 P 001 LEC (course website)
Course Title: Ethics in Science and Engineering (catalog description)
Enrollment on 03/26/06: Limit:150 Enrolled:130 Waitlist:0 Avail Seats:20 </p>
<p>And do elaborate your definition of "poor faculty."</p>
<p>1,000th post! yeayauh</p>
<p>I would love to go to berkeley. I bet i will have way better education than what i am getting at georgia tech. </p>
<p>As far as I know UCLA is not for engineer degree.
Berkeley > UCLA</p>
<p>the faculty there is too busy focusing on doing their graduate research. </p>
<p>look at this thread by a berkeley undergrad student:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=145438%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=145438</a></p>
<p>the following is a quote....</p>
<p>"3) Huge classes. Even upper division, problems with the budget have made classes generally large, impersonal and boring.</p>
<p>4) Poor quality peers. This is subjective but most of the people you meet will be not smart and many times will slow down the class by asking dumb questions. They are the "cream" of the crop of the 2nd worst high school system in the US, where 1/3 of all students drop out, and it really shows many times. </p>
<p>5) Poor opportunities for generalists. If you are very determined and know what you want to be, you might get the internship or job you're going for. If you're tring to figure it out, good luck, because they are a ton of applicants for every position you apply for and getting behind is easy, when everyone else has specialized. Its really a bit more cut-throat environment than I have heard from my other friends at ivies and University of Texas.</p>
<p>6) Many poor quality teachers. This is a research institution and it shows, many professors are just poor quality and seem to care more about research than teaching. Some test you on new stuff not on any of the homeworks they assigned, just because they can. I thought I had left having to consider teacher politics to high school, but you really have to be careful picking teachers, as some classes will be fairer and harder relative to the professor and not the class. Be especially wary of "visiting" professors and professors who have never taught a class before."</p>
<p>^But what makes you think UCLA is any better? Because their angry students don't post that stuff on CC?</p>
<p>well if berkeley has this problem, UCLA possibly does too. But for each to what extent? Which school has it worse?</p>
<p>I am delighted that you are questioning the caliber and quality of the universities that have selected you or may possibly accept you to attend. Not every university is perfect, and obviously there will always be complaints. Therefore, it is up to you to decide where you want to attend based how your research and visits from now to May 1st. Just remember, no one is forcing you to attend a university you dislike or disapprove of.</p>
<p>personally Id be glad to get into anyone of those schools for grad school with my current grade situation. but I would think berkeley is better for grad. you should go to their website and go the the department website of the department your intrested in and look at the work. and as far as people saying bekeley is a bad school. I think those people are just letting out some anger. i mean everywhere I go I hear people complaining about their school. the big schools people complain about the professors not giving and damn and large classroom sizes. small unknown schools( from experience) you complain about no opportunities and not enought classes being offered. Personallu I think the best choice for undergrad is to go to the cheapest school. ive been at fresno state for 3 yrs now and i dont think its that bad. yes im sure my classes probably dont cover as much material as much as classes at bekeley or UCLA, but heck no one is stopping me from learning the material not covered in class. anywho what im trying to say is booth of these schools are tereffic schools its seems and I dont think it would really make a much of a difference as to which one you went to. you should go look at other things like the campus the town the living costs and stuff.</p>
<p>bumpaaaaaaaaa</p>
<p>Go Berkeley.</p>
<p>i doubt there's much of a difference.</p>
<p>To be frank, oversized classrooms, poor faculty, too many student teachers, and all the other problems brought up in this thread are as much of a problem at UCLA Engineering as they are at UCB Engineering. The two schools have become too similar at this point to say that you'll definitely get a better experience at one school over the other... You'd be surprised how similar the overall undergrad engineering experience is at both schools. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>id just go to the one that would cost me less.
but in this case they both might be very close :(</p>