<p>90 during the day isn’t perfect. That’s blazing hot.</p>
<p>75is perfect for a day time high(as most of the time will be spent around 72F which I consider ideal).
and anything below 60 is freezing cold.
that is all.</p>
<p>1) Agree with pinker</p>
<p>2) If it wasn’t that hot then how do you expect the girls to wear minimal clothing 24/7? It’s not like they’re going to do that in the rain.</p>
<p>People need to stop complaining about the weather and start enjoying all the wonderful things it has to offer.</p>
<p>you guys need to actually experience the place before saying anything. </p>
<p>Berkley might be very expensive to live in, but want to know an interesting fact? Per Capita, the city of Berkley has one of the highest rates of crime in the Bay Area (only SF and Oakland have higher in violent crime). Per Capita, Berkley actually has the highest rates of property crime. (according to the FBI crime reports, at least). ive known people who had gotten their cars broken into for schoolbooks, and i know people who break into cars for schoolbooks. goons walk up and down the streets whispering “want tree?” in your ear. its pretty damn ghetto. </p>
<p>i think i mentally mixed up USC’s campus and UCLA’s. thats my bad. If so, then i must say that LA’s campus is a couple notches higher that Berkley’s, but i still say UCSD has the nicest campus; i will admit, some of the buildings are an eyesore (especially that one with the neons words on top. what the hell is that?) but overall, its clean, its open, and has a good balance between cement and wildlife. </p>
<p>and 90 is HOT. especially since it is only April, and will continue to get hotter for the next 3 months. and i actually hate when girls dress like skanks on the street. its like, dude; i can get a girl that looks better in a overcoat than you do in a micro-mini, so put some clothes on cause nobody wants to see that.</p>
<p>LA weather </p>
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<p>it varies, d00dz…
and i’d argue that the summer evenings here are better than just about anywhere else in teh continental US.</p>
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<li>HIGHS of 87 for july, aug, sept in Hollywood… come on…</li>
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<p>Oh, come on! Every city has crime! And I’m not necessarily saying Berkeley is a “Safe” city, but the campus overall is pretty safe! As long as you’re not wandering around the side streets three or four blocks from campus unaccompanied, you’ll be just fine! Property crime in Berkeley is pretty high, but Violent Crime in Berkeley is pretty low. The city of Los Angeles has a much higher per capita rate of violent crime than does Berkeley, but I’m sure that their campus is pretty safe.</p>
<p>I’m just trying to say, it’s not easy to judge a place based entirely on statistics and other people’s experiences. That being said, there are a lot of hippies and homeless people, but what else are you expecting from Berkeley!?!? If you’re not into that, Berkeley is likely not the place for you!</p>
<p>Also, as for cars getting broken into and what not! That’s just another reason not to drive in Berkeley! 
It’s a big enough pain in the arse as it is!</p>
<p>(Seriously though, get a bike!)</p>
<p>So yeah, I love Cal! It takes some getting used to at first if you’re not familiar with the Bay Area, but it truly is a gorgeous campus, and a wonderful school!</p>
<p>@em0kid, stop making a strawman argument out of crime. Yes every city has crime, but don’t sit there and say people are being over-analytical. Berkeley is a beautiful campus and beautiful city, very prestigious academics and the #1 public school in the country, but to not acknowledge the crime rates is probably the biggest mistakes you can make. People literally MUG you. How the heck do you smile and say it’s no big deal? I don’t ever want to get mugged in my entire life. EVER. That’s not one of those things you say, “Well you have to try it at least once right? Never know, you might like it!”</p>
<p>No, period. I always carry petty cash on me for places that don’t take plastic, and when you’re a college student, losing $40-60 every now and then to crime goons is a big deal. </p>
<p>When it comes to personal safety, and believe me this is a shocker:
UCLA is better than UCB. Period. End of story. Everyone I met from UCLA has a great time and never worries about thieves and thugs. Every student I’ve met from Cal has at least one scary story they experienced where someone either touched them/felt them up on BART or robbed them at gunpoint. </p>
<p>Area/ Surrounding Area:
UCB takes the cake. Cultural diversity in LA versus cultural diversity in San Fransisco? It’s no argument. And San Fransisco isn’t “cold as Alaska” either. It can get fairly warm in the summer, at least mid 70’s which is perfect weather. 90 is too hot and LA hits the high 90’s in summer. </p>
<p>Beach Area:
Obviously LA. If you enjoy the ocean, LA is definitely the place to be. It’s really close to San Diego. San Fransisco is more of a port and it’ll take you some time to get to a good beach. </p>
<p>@em0kid : Your arguments are coming off as obnoxious. So if we don’t want our car broken into, just don’t have a car? Okay so if we don’t want to get robbed, best not have money right? Hell, if you don’t want to experience crime, might as well just die and not live right? If people have to choose from living in LA and their car and valuables being safe, or living in Berkeley and having their car broken into, I think I’ll choose LA and my car versus Berkeley and a Schwinn. Seriously, I plan on riding a bike at UCSD, but I’m not going to give up my car, nor do I want my car’s safety to be a concern. </p>
<p>Seriously if you don’t like crazy people, stay away from Berkeley. Creeps take the BART, if you’re a girl guys will sit next to you and try to feel you up, you can get mugged. If you have the skin/teeth to deal with it then go for it, but don’t move there and act all surprised when you experience it. You can come back here and thank em0kid for saying getting robbed isn’t a big deal.</p>
<p>sighh…em0kid…just face facts that Berkley has a lot of crime. UCLA, despite its name, resides in Westwood, which is basically the very edge of the city of Los Angeles. Westwood has very low rates of both violent crime and property crime. UCSD, despite its name, resides in La Jolla, which is the very edge of the city of San Diego; La Jolla is another city with very little crime. UCB, however, resides in the heart of the city, and has a lot of crime. </p>
<p>Berkley has crime. Its just a trade-off; would you rather live next to criminals for a couple years and get the best public-university education you can, or would you rather live safe and graduate from a second-rate university?</p>
<p>ucla is hardly a second-rate university and i don’t think you’re in any position to make a comment like that considering you can’t even spell berkeley correctly.</p>
<p>LOL @ the BART haters. Try riding the NYC subway or the Metro in Washington, DC. THOSE are where the “creeps” are. BART is one of the nicest systems in the country. I use it A LOT. Sure I’ve seen some questionable looking people but everyone generally keeps to their own on BART. I’ve also seen fights on BART, for what it’s worth. Still, I’ve come home from SF at 11 - 11:30 at night and transferred/stood around in Oakland, San Leandro, or the other “ghetto” parts of the Bay and have rarely felt threatened. This isn’t because I’m some super tough dude or anything, it’s just that BART is not this haven of criminals, thieves, and creeps as the haters want to make it out to be. Every place has its crime. On the whole, the Bay (and BART) is pretty safe.</p>
<p>EDIT: PS, in the end it’s all about perspective. Someone from Beverly Hills who transfers to Cal may be shocked when they use BART. But for most people it’s not that big of a deal. Again, it’s all in the eye of the beholder; one man’s safe is another man’s dangerous.</p>
<p>Oh sure, if you’re moving to Cal from Little Rock or Compton, yeah it’s a great place to live, but I haven’t even lived in that great of neighborhoods and Berkeley is pretty grimy.</p>
<p>And this is UCLA versus UCB, not UCB versus Bronx or UCB versus Haiti or something. And when you compare UCLA to UCB, you get living in Berkeley where there’s a bunch of grimy slimy criminals running around doing scandalous stuff, or you live near Westwood where crime rates are really low, property crime is really low.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think going to UCLA or UCB is more about the education, I agree with you on that. The truth of the matter is, if you want nice weather, surroundings and low crime rates, go to UC San Diego or UC Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz. Then again, you don’t get the amazing women you see at UCLA or the Berkeley education or liberal culture groups San Fransisco offers.</p>
<p>Life is all about trade offs, but just like people in LA have to admit that it’s 237 degrees over there from May until September, people in Cal have to admit that there’s some scandalous dudes there, and just like I have to admit that at UCSD I better have permanent beer boggles if I have any hopes of being attracted to any women here.</p>
<p>I wasn’t talking about Berkeley itself, more about the misinformation being thrown around about BART! It’s a great system.</p>
<p>@mikei um ucla is right next to Beverly hills and sunset strip. what ucla are you talking about? must be thinking of usc.</p>
<p>Hahahaha, straw man argument!? I don’t even know what that means!</p>
<p>Anyway, I’m not reducing the argument to who has less crime. I’m simply stating this: I have never been mugged or harassed on the BART or on the Berkeley campus, nor has my girlfriend, nor have any of her friends. I’m sorry if your friends have had negative experiences. No one should have to be mugged, ever. But like I said, MOST instances of crime I hear about are people being foolish and leaving valuables in their cars in shady areas. I’ve been guilty of such things(Not in Berkeley, though!), I’m just offering an alternative take on all of the people who seem to believe that there is a 100% chance of being raped/robbed in Berkeley! Believe me, that is NOT the case.</p>
<p>I’ve never been to LA, the campus or the city! I’m sure it’s a beautiful campus, and a good school. Just not as good a school as Berkeley! :p</p>
<p>They are both inferior to Cal State Northridge</p>
<p>I agree with whoever said that UCLA doesn’t really have that college-campus feel. You can walk 10 mins from campus and you’ll hit Wilshire blvd. and in my opinion thats much more city feel than college feel. And to the whole crime thing, you can’t just take the rates. LA has more wannabe gangbangers, and some real, who, with enough alcohol, go crazy because they think they’re crazy. And la also attracts a worse crowd than berkeley.
i.e. Stabbings at frat parties (leading to like 6 kids getting arrested for attempted murder)
and that chick who got stabbed in lab or something</p>
<p>^^ Truth.</p>
<p>10 Character rule.</p>
<p>Whoops, that was to the Northridge dude!</p>
<p>lol csun…</p>
<p>@ jetforce - im glad you have enough time on your hands to correct my spelling on an internet forum. thanks. oh, btw, i dont think you can say anything about proper english to me, since you didnt capitalize your “I” or the b in BerkEley. </p>
<p>@ BayAreaTransfer - i agree with you there. BART is useful. it may not be the greatest/safest/cheapest means of transportation, but it is well worth the drawbacks since you can hop on BART from practically anywhere (or find a bus stop - they all go to BART stations) to get to wherever you want in the Bay. plus, if you spend a couple days exploring BART, you tend to get of how it works; some stations (like Pittsburg) are more prone to violence than others in more ghetto areas (like Oakland). why? because Pittsburg is a last stop - only the goons are left on that train, while Oakland has 3 large transfer stations which attracts many commuters.</p>
<p>@ em0kid, a strawman argument basically means you are misrepresenting something in order to make it easier to prove yourself right (since the misrepresentation is easier to rebuke than the original argument - kind of like how man made of straw is easier to beat than a real man). however, i can not see how Essenar thinks you are making a strawman argument out of crime; maybe he/she will elaborate. i think your guilty of a hasty generalization; you state that since every city has crime, you jump to the conclusion that you should not have a car since it will get broken into and you should not walk around town alone at night. not every city is like that (actually, very few cities in the United States are like that). its just disappointing that the city that houses the best public university in the nation happens to be like that. </p>
<p>and finally, @ arrowhead - yes, LA might have more gangbangers and whatnot, but the fact of the matter is, UCLA is located in one of the nicest areas in the state, while UCB is located in one of the worst. sure, a chick got stabbed in the lab (but lived) and the frat party there was some stabbings (i think they all lived too), but lets not forget that a UCB student was shot and killed outside a bar in Oakland (different city, i know, but it was on telegraph, which goes right up to the university) last year, the man who was shot and killed outside TopDog (a great hotdog place located a block from the campus) two years ago, and the student who stabbed and killed another student at a sorority party a couple years back.</p>
<p>A series of isolated incidents isn’t going to correlate with the likely hood of your survival. That is entirely up to you. Even if by random chance you run into a situation that turns violent, you still made the choice to be in that situation rather than another one, chance and fate are one in the same. Thousands, if not millions, of people have died in the very spot you sit and type at now, and many more living creatures non-human. The place itself does not make violence an inevitability, it’s the people. Less people commit crime in Westwood because the people associated with living in that city collectively assumed that safety can be synthesized. There is no collective will to safety in areas like Berkeley because the place is made up of people who moved there for different reasons, people whose intention is not to isolate themselves from crime, or to eradicate it all together. For them, Berkeley IS safety, or a type of haven from a different type of unseemly. In essence, the picture of Westwood painted by a Berkeleanian will not reflect an accurate representation. Just like the picture of Berkeley painted by a Westwoodian, will be grossly distorted and equally loaded with bias.</p>
<p>I love that I took an argumentation class and a reasoning class so I understand the different logical fallacies that you all are talking about. :)</p>