<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I am a Math major and I will be looking for international research opportunities outside US ( since most REU require US Citizenship or permanent resident) . I am looking for places like Paris, ETH Zurich, even London and Israel.</p>
<p>Which of the UCLA or UMich is mostly well known for Math?<br>
I am aware of the rankings and all, so if anyone can share their experience of abroad then it will be really helpful.</p>
<p>I don’t know about those places but at least for Asia UCLA has a greater international reputation. </p>
<p>Michigan and UCLA have nearly identical international reputations.</p>
<p>Michael, I do not think UCLA has a greater reputation in Asia, at least not among the educated. Most Asians I know do not seem to think so anyway. In the Middle East and Europe, where I have lived my whole life, both schools have excellent reputations. For some reason, Michigan’s reputation in Germany is off the charts.</p>
<p>Alexandra, as only 1 man, I can’t represent all of Asia. But from what I’ve seen in Asia, people in Asia tend to look at the West and East coasts when it comes to desirable schools with umich/northwestern/uchicago as the main exceptions. Everyone I’ve talked to in China knows UC Berkeley and UCLA more than UMich. It shows in their student population. I guess Asian people such as myself just love California 
UMich is a great school but it’s in the middle of no where and most of the graduates leave the state of Michigan. Still, couldn’t be happier to be a freshman next year.</p>
<p>UCLA is also ranked higher in terms of reputation according to TIME’s, and I’m led to believe that most of it is due to Asia due to their somewhat close proximity and the massive amount of Asian students they have compared to uofm</p>
<p>Among educated people, there is probably little difference between the two. Otherwise, there would be a lot more people in Asia that have heard of UCLA than UMich. The main reason are that there are far more Asians lives in California and UCLA has a much larger population of foreign and Asian domestic students. I grew up in Asia and honestly I knew UCLA from early grade school but not UMich until I went to college.</p>
<p>^^Basically what I wanted to say.</p>
<p>“UMich is a great school but it’s in the middle of no where.”</p>
<p>Just because you obviously lack an understanding of what the term the “middle of no where” means, I’ll give you some leeway with that remark. Many of Michigan’s graduates leave the state simply because a huge percentage of them attend from out of state, unlike UCLA where the vast majority of the students are from CA.</p>
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<p>No, most of the instate people I know leave the state too, and probably with approximately the same rate. It’s because the jobs are in other states, especially the ones that pay well. </p>
<p>^^^I realize that many Michigan instate students grads leave the state. My point was that Michigan has more than twice as many OOS students than UCLA. Naturally, many more are going to leave the state after graduation. </p>
<p>“The main reason are that there are far more Asians lives in California and UCLA has a much larger population of foreign and Asian domestic students.”</p>
<p>UCLA is 35% Asian. Michigan is 12% Asian. Huge discrepency. If UCLA didn’t have a bigger reputation in Asia, then something would be seriously wrong. </p>
<p>^^ Actually, 43% of in state students admitted last year at UCLA are Asian American.
<a href=“UCLA admits more than 16,000 exceptional students for its fall 2013 freshman class | UCLA”>http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-admits-more-than-16-000-exceptional-245294</a></p>
<p>^^^Admitted does not necessarily mean matriculated. ;-)</p>
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Among high school students, perhaps. Certainly not among academics and corporate employers.</p>
<p>I used to have responsibilities for global corporate customers in Asia, and I traveled around a lot. Among corporate employers, both UCLA and Michigan are recognized as two of the best in the world, and their grads are highly regarded.</p>
<p>I’d give the edge to Michigan for Greater China, especially for China. Michigan has more than 150 years of history in China, with prominent alumni in science, academics, government, and private sector employers.</p>
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Currently there are 823 undergrads and 1,511 grads (total 2,334) from China enrolled at Michigan, more than three time from the next country, India. Do you think there are more students from China at UCLA?</p>
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40% of undergraduates at UCLA are Asian (including international).
I believe so. UCLA has ~20% more international students than UMich and China is the top country where the students are coming from. It is likely to have more than the 28.7% national total international students from China. Even at 28.7%, that would be over 2400 students from China in 2013.
<a href=“UCLA’s international student enrollment is up - Daily Bruin”>http://dailybruin.com/2013/11/14/uclas-international-student-enrollment-is-up/</a></p>
<p>There are significant discrepancies between UCLA’s official data and the Daily Bruin. According to UCLA’s Office of Analysis and Information Management (<a href=“http://www.aim.ucla.edu/tables/enrollment_demographics_fall.aspx”>http://www.aim.ucla.edu/tables/enrollment_demographics_fall.aspx</a>), there are 5,619 internationals enrolled in Fall 2013 (3,065 undergrads + 2,554 grads) … not the 8,424 reported in the Daily Bruin.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the international population only grew rapidly in recent years – from 2,968 (2009) to 3,950 (2011) to 5,619 (2013). This was fueled by the rapid growth in undergrad enrollment – from 1,053 (2009) to 1,764 (2011) to (3,065). I believe this has more to do with the change in UCLA’s policy to admit more international freshmen … rather than a sudden surge of UCLA’s international reputation.</p>
<p>I also don’t think there is a sudden change in international reputation of UCLA. It is a change of the school policy as well as the significant increase in enrollment of students from China. The number of undergraduates at UMich from China also increased rapidly within the last few years. I don’t think there is a sudden surge in the reputation of UMich in the last few years either.</p>
<p>“Just because you obviously lack an understanding of what the term the “middle of no where” means, I’ll give you some leeway with that remark”</p>
<p>I love the passive aggressiveness. I live 10 minutes from the campus. So please, don’t act like the kind of guy that most people hate. I’m from Ann Arbor and I can safely say there’s simply not enough high quality jobs in the state of MIchigan and most of my peers will leave this state with me. </p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong though, you should expect UMich as your answer from this forum because people most people here went to Michigan or pretended that they did. I’m curious to see what you ended up choosing since the deadline for UCLA just passed and I don’t see an Ashley Martin in the 2018 facebook group with me. Honestly, I hope you went to UCLA because there are way to many stuck up people here but also a lot of awesome people. Go blue.</p>
<p>“I love the passive aggressiveness. I live 10 minutes from the campus. So please, don’t act like the kind of guy that most people hate.”</p>
<p>Yes I know your type. The grass is always greener elsewhere. There are “stuck up people” everywhere, even at UCLA. Ann Arbor, whether you realize it or not, is not in the middle of nowhere. That you downplay your own area is a good reason why so many others take that same, small minded attitude. </p>
<p>I really love your passive aggressiveness but I have no words left to say to you. Keep doing what you do best (college confidential). </p>
<p>Love the spirit folks. But I am not sure what the popularity of a state has to do with the reputation of a university. States like Connecticut, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Rhode Island aren’t exactly the most popular states, but nobody will question the reputations of Brown, Dartmouth, Princeton or Yale. According to a recent Gallup polls, Michigan was not among the states with the highest percentage of residents wishing to leave their home state. States like Connecticut and New Jersey were.</p>
<p>At any rate, back to the OP’s question; Michigan and UCLA both have strong international reputations. From what I have seen, even in Asia, UCLA’s reputation is not much stronger than Michigan, if at all. In Europe and the Middle East, where I come from, their reputations are about equal, with the slight edge going to Michigan. </p>