<p>obviously law school isnt the only post graduate path. i never said it was. i was merely using the LSAT's as an example of how prestige doesn't matter. maybe next time, i ought to make things more explicit for you and state - "FOR EXAMPLE" before i state one.</p>
<p>Irvine is a load of crap because their pre reqs for economics are so dang complicated. Some stuff isn't articulated when it should be for my jc and it would be such a waste of time fulfilling the reqs for one school. Especially when that one school is UC Irvine. Get off your high horse Irvine.</p>
<p>Regardless, you contend that undergrad matters when it most certainly does not. That in and of itself disqualifies you as an informed person in the process of law school admissions. Your sources are delusional if they think, and I quote, your undergrad institution gives you a "huge boost". </p>
<p>HLS cares more about their average GPAs/LSATs than how many students came from which school.</p>
<p>The point is that you allege that undergrad school gives you a HUGE BOOST which is a completely misinformed remark.</p>
<p>You'd think you'd be embarrassed to continuously support a false claim using pride as the root of your arguments. </p>
<p>Pinkerflod is wrong. Go to UCR, go to SJSU, go anywhere-- law schools won't care so long as you have the numbers. </p>
<p>I reiterate and would LOVE to reemphasize "huge boost".</p>
<p>my friend with mediocre grades just graduated from UCD but he got 99th percentile on his LSATS and he can basically go wherever he wants now</p>
<p>Just to reinforce what others have said about GPA,</p>
<p>If you are applying for Law School School, a 3.9 GPA from UCR would definitely look better than a 3.7 from HYPS. If you look at the GPA range of acceptance from top Law Schools, you will see that a 3.7, even from HYPS, will make it difficult to get into schools like HLS.</p>
<h2>Observe, look at the admitted class profile for 2008-2009.</h2>
<p>GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.95 / 3.74
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 176 / 170
Entering</a> Class Profile 2008-2009</p>
<p>GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.97 / 3.81
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 177 / 169
Yale</a> Law School | Entering Class Profile</p>
<p>These numbers are not associated with what school these numbers came from. The fact is, getting into Law School is a numbers game. Furthermore, schools like HLS want to maintain their prestige and selectivity, it will be difficult to get in with a low GPA. Clearly, when applying to law school, a 3.9 from a tier 3 would give one better chances than a 3.7 at HYPS, or any other Tier 1 school.</p>
<p>-pinkerfloyd</p>
<p>Your beliefs about the prestige factor is not uncommon. Undoubtedly, a 4.0 at a tier 3 schools is much easier to achieve than a 4.0 at a Tier 1 school. Nonetheless, this fact is virtually irrelevant in law admissions.</p>
<p>Although it's good to have opinions, you should base them off more empirical sources. Especially when posting on CC.</p>
<p>i was told by a counselor at UCLA that the prestige of a school doesnt factor that much. it only does when it comes to trying to go to a private school for grad but even so, it's a very small percentage. </p>
<p>but supa, quick question - what's HYPS stand for?</p>
<p>I apologize to Pinker and Chibi for overreacting. Its just that I have heard UCR's integrity being brought down too many times and I feel that its a fine school. Not the greatest of course, but it has some good programs and intelligent students. Its hard to tell over the internet whether someone is being sarcastic or the amount of sincerity that they are showing when they talk about a certain topic, especially if you dont know the person.</p>
<p>no problem, it's all fun and games here at CC.</p>
<p>HYPS= Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford</p>
<p>***?</p>
<p>i really can't understand why you're all so centered around law school admissions.</p>
<p>"if you plan on furthering your education PASSED UNDERGRAD (as in, beyond obtaining your undergraduate degree), you've got a better shot at top schools with a more prestigious undergraduate alma mater."</p>
<p>"(i) feel justified in suggesting that if given the option, someone were to choose Riverside over UCLA, and has plans to pursue A GRADUATE DEGREE..." </p>
<p>having already conceded that law school admissions are based heavily on gpa and sometimes even more so on LSAT,</p>
<p>-- of course it's no secret that when applying to law schools, LSATs count for as much, and sometimes, depending on the school, more than does GPA." -- </p>
<p>i think it's fairly clear that i don't personally think law school admissions apply to what i'd initially said regarding stronger chances for GRAD SCHOOL admittance for students from stronger schools. </p>
<hr>
<p>let me ask you this: </p>
<p>who is the more competitive applicant for Harvard Business School?</p>
<p>the guy who has a degree from HAAS in bus. admin. with a 3.85
or
the guy who has a degree from UCR in bus. admin with a 4.0</p>
<p>come on..</p>
<p>you are seriously not comprehending the logic behind people's arguments. </p>
<p>it ISNT just in the GPA. the test scores put a large factor into it. that is why people are using examples of LSAT scores to prove to you the absurdity of your claims. </p>
<p>so let's use your example. if the guy from UCR had a higher score on whatever graduate exam he decides to take, the guy from UCR.</p>
<p>Somehow I knew you'd try to change the premise for the discussion to something else...how Pinkerfloyd-ish of you.</p>
<p>You left the discussion open to "anything past undergrad" and I decided to focus it on humanities and law school to show how intrinsically WRONG your understanding was.</p>
<p>Now you're trying to talk about MBAs which are on a completely different playing field. </p>
<p>I'm not going to even try to explain how bizarre and absurd you are for trying to pull this but let's just say work experience is a big factor which is obviously tied to the prestige of your undergrad program...</p>
<p>Can't you just accept you were wrong?</p>
<p>For emphasis I'd like to quote once more Pinkerfloyd's outlandish claim that your undergrad institution will give you a "huge boost". You weren't talking about MBAs, you weren't talking about MPPAs, you were talking about law school.</p>
<p>You are wrong and you are making your credibility go down the drain on CC.</p>
<p>Just man up to it and accept the fact you were gullible and misinformed and you're doing a disservice to everyone by saying that your undergrad institution is important for law school.</p>
<p>You are wrong. Accept it and move on to another thread.</p>
<p>chibi, i am seriously not comprehending your posts, half the time. </p>
<p>now, nick..</p>
<p>"You left the discussion open to "anything past undergrad" and I decided to focus it on humanities and law school to show how intrinsically WRONG your understanding was."
- this is the definition of hasty generalization.</p>
<p>"Just man up to it and accept the fact you were gullible and misinformed and you're doing a disservice to everyone by saying that your undergrad institution is important for law school."
- find me the quote that led you to believe that i was referencing law school explicitly. hell, at all. you've been arguing with no one. again, i conceded the point earlier, and omitted law school from the beginning. i think my posts clearly show this.</p>
<p>i've already agreed to disagree, since anything anyone knows about the factors of admission is hearsay anyway. according to a number of reputable insiders, who weren't being asked in a circumstance that would have required them to regurgitate school policy, your undergrad alma mater can give you a huge boost. that is to say that it CAN give you a huge boost. not necessarily, but possibly, and, according to my sources, often. with competition for phd programs and like as tight as they are, why not take any advantage that comes your way?</p>
<p>i think it's sad that you believe what you believe with such dogmatic certainty, not doubting for a moment that you, and a small majority, might be mistaken. you speak of gullibility in a way that seems painfully hypocritical, which sucks, because until now, i would have thought you capable of thinking critically and participating in a relevant, potentially productive discourse/ instead, you've been making fallacious substantiations to enforce your own found truth, and like a calf at the teat, won't let go.</p>
<p>who is the more competitive applicant for Harvard Business School?</p>
<p>the guy who has a degree from HAAS in bus. admin. with a 3.85
or
the guy who has a degree from UCR in bus. admin with a 4.0</p>
<p>both have identical work experience and ec's / whatever test scores you can think of. </p>
<p>A or B. just give me an answer.</p>
<p>you guys have taken this way too far. It's pretty entertaining to read your arguments back-to-back. Anyway, I think we can all agree that the name of the school really doesn't matter in the end as long as you do well. The bottom line is, law schools won't look favorably upon those who went to an ivy and did poorly, as opposed to someone who excelled at a lesser known school. Can we kiss and makeup now?</p>
<p>sure..
this is worth checking out:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/450944-does-undergrad-prestige-really-matter-grad-school-4.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/450944-does-undergrad-prestige-really-matter-grad-school-4.html</a></p>
<p>
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who is the more competitive applicant for Harvard Business School?</p>
<p>the guy who has a degree from HAAS in bus. admin. with a 3.85
or
the guy who has a degree from UCR in bus. admin with a 4.0</p>
<p>both have identical work experience and ec's / whatever test scores you can think of.</p>
<p>A or B. just give me an answer.
[/QUOTE]
</p>
<p>Assuming both applicants have impressive test scores, work experience, and ECs, Without a doubt, the one from UCR.</p>
<p>Why? If both have the same (high) LSAT score, and both have similar work experiences, the only difference between them is their GPA. Now the same LSAT score estimates that they both have equal capabilities, regardless of the institution they came from. Therefore when it comes to making a decision, they will probably want the one with the noticeably higher GPA. Why? This adds to the prestige/selectivity of the school. Adding a 4.0 to the admit list, instead of a 3.85, can have an overall impact on the accepted GPA range. Furthermore, it can also have an overall impact on the perceived selectivity of the school. </p>
<p>It has been said countless times, admission to law school is a numbers game. In your example both candidates are equal (most importantly equal with an assumed high LSAT score) with the exception of one having a much higher GPA. Therefore the one from UCR has a better shot.</p>
<p>"who is the more competitive applicant for </p>
<p>Harvard BUSINESS School?"</p>
<p>well pinker, it seems like you are the only one which i guess shows your intelligence level. </p>
<p>let's use your link that you provide to a MESSAGE BOARD (as if that is credible). </p>
<p>even in most of the responses on that board, people claim examples of how prestige of a school doesnt help you get into a more prestigious graduate school. (is that hard to comprehend?) Let me break it down for you in more simpler terms for you. More prestigious school = not a factor. (still hard?) </p>
<p>"your undergrad alma mater can give you a huge boost. that is to say that it CAN give you a huge boost. not necessarily, but possibly, and, according to my sources, often."
- Okay, so when does it give you a "huge" boost. Your definition of a huge boost must be as equivalent to what everyone else's definition is - " a slight edge". If two people had identical stats (same ec's, same GPA, same test scores, same work experience, same everything) - then yes, the prestige of the school is the only defining factor left to distinguish between the two. but even then, it's a SLIGHT edge, not a huge one. </p>
<p>And i think you might be misinterpreting the argument your sources are giving. They are probably saying it will give you a boost in terms of opportunity for you to receive the training necessary to achieve high test scores. of course Harvard is going to give you more connections compared to UCR in terms of finding a good job after undergrad. of course there are going to be more peer-pressure and a better academic circle around you to help you get a higher test score. But that doesnt mean you would automatically get into a school because of your alma mater. it's all dependent on yourself. (dont comprehend? harvard = more opportunities compared to UCR. but it's all on yourself to take them). </p>
<p>"Just man up to it and accept the fact you were gullible and misinformed"
- Good advice you ought to take.</p>