<p>UI has a greater percentage of ethnical minorities (23% vs 14%). UI has more international students(1632 vs 226). UI has a larger greek-letter community.</p>
<p>Where do you get that data? Wisco has 4,000+ international students. Also, 10%, around 3,000 students at UW, go Greek. At Illinois, Greek life dominates campus. While it's great if you want to get involved, at Wisconsin it's much easier to have a normal life on campus if you do not go greek. The social lives of the schools, while similiar in their "big state school" mentality, are certainly different. There is a reason why UI students go to visit Madison, and not the other way around.</p>
<p>Academics? Certainly Illinois is a world-respected school, and it can compete with Wisconsin in business, and ranks higher in engineering. However, across the social and hard sciences, and especially humanities, Wisconsin takes the cake. It has consistently been ranked in the top 10 of public universities, generally around the top 7. The OOS students at Wisco almost never apply to Illinois, generally looking betwen Mich and Wisconsin. </p>
<p>And look at Chicago suburb kids. They flock to Wisconsin. You don't see the reversal from Wisconsin 18-yr-olds.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.admissions.wisc.edu/facts.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.admissions.wisc.edu/facts.php</a></p>
<p>Wisconsin website states the number of international students, which is 226. Also, I wouldn't say Wisconsin is better in terms of science. Psychology, chemistry, physics, in particular, are stronger here at Illinois. Illinois business and engineering also have a stronger student body than Wisconsin.</p>
<p>Lastly, Greek life don't dominate here at Illinois. I wouldn't consider 22% "dominate."</p>
<p>Wisconsin has its strength, and so does Illinois.</p>
<p>I have made a mistake, the number for the international students is only limited to the incoming freshmen. Nevertheless, considering the ratio, I wouldn't think that Wisconsin's international student body would come near 4000.</p>
<p>4,000 also includes graduate students. Just as you would cite graduate rankings for those science rankings, the overall campus climate is one filled with internationals.</p>
<p>Wisconsin business is at the least, on the same level of Illinois, and in may factors, better. For example, it produces the highest number of Fortune 500 CEOs in the country. Many specialty rankings put Wisconsin's marketing, international business, accounting (although I believe that is UI's strong program), and real estate are top 10 nationally. </p>
<p>Yes, UI's engineering is one of the best in the country, however Wisconsin's also happens to rank in the top 15 nationally. </p>
<p>Peer rankings from US News gives UW the edge (4.2 vs 4.0), Wisconsin has constantly ranked along the top public schools in the country, and accepts about 20% less students. As for individual department rankings, Wisconsin has 70 in the top 10 nationally. I am doubtful this is the case with Illinois.</p>
<p>As for Greek life at UI, I think it's a false claim to say Greek life does not have a substancial impact on the social life for students. 1/4 the body is quite high, and from a laundry list of friends at Illinois, I am told greek life is a substancial force in weekend activities.</p>
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<p>Give me the data that says it has 4000 international students. </p>
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Wisconsin business is at the least, on the same level of Illinois, and in may factors, better. For example, it produces the highest number of Fortune 500 CEOs in the country. Many specialty rankings put Wisconsin's marketing, international business, accounting (although I believe that is UI's strong program), and real estate are top 10 nationally.
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<p>Business Week rankings
UI: #22
UW: #28</p>
<p>Average SAT scores for incoming freshmen at UI business: 1310
Average SAT scores for incoming freshmen at UW business: 1257</p>
<p>Average base salary:
UI: $47,701.00
UW: $ 45,769.00</p>
<p>Medium base salary
UI: $50,000
UW: $45,000</p>
<p>Average signing bonus
UI: $3,583.00
UW: $4,077.00</p>
<p>Median signing bonus
UI: $2,500
UW: $3,000</p>
<p>Average other guaranteed compensation:
UI: $11,766.00
UW:$7,359.00</p>
<p>Median other guaranteed compensation
UI: $5,100.00
UW: $3,800.00</p>
<p>Also, US NEWS suggests that UI is ranked 2 for accounting, 10 for finance, 5 for insurance, 19 for international business, 12 for MIS, 12 for marketing, 16 for operation management, and 6 for real estate. </p>
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<p>UI not only has a better ranking, but it has a better alumni network and a stronger student body, which leads to, better overall experience as an engineering student.</p>
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Peer rankings from US News gives UW the edge (4.2 vs 4.0), Wisconsin has constantly ranked along the top public schools in the country, and accepts about 20% less students.
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<p>Illinois also has consistantly been ranked top 10 public school, usually around top 8, which is not much of difference. UI's endowment also has been increasing significantly for past couple of years. The current endowment of UI is $2.197 billion, compared to Wisconsin's $1.425 billion.</p>
<p>As far as the acceptance rate goes, UI student body tends to be self-selective. Although UI accepts more student than Wisconsin, it does not mean that UI students are less competitive. The campus average ACT score for incoming freshmen 06-07 for UI was 26~31, compared to UW's 26~30.</p>
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As for individual department rankings, Wisconsin has 70 in the top 10 nationally. I am doubtful this is the case with Illinois.
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<p>The numbers for Wisconsin is indeed impressive, but I doubt that Illinois is far behind. </p>
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As for Greek life at UI, I think it's a false claim to say Greek life does not have a substancial impact on the social life for students. 1/4 the body is quite high, and from a laundry list of friends at Illinois, I am told greek life is a substancial force in weekend activities.
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<p>1/4 is indeed quite high, but its far from being the majority. You also make it sound like if Greek life is not beneficial to you. Many of the prominent leaders today were committed to Greek system.</p>
<p>Salaries in Wisconsin tend to be lower than Illinois which is dominated by Chicago where pay is better. About half of UW grads work there after graduation. Just compare Madison/Milwaukee home prices to Chicago. Chicago is double so you money goes farther in Wisconsin.
Average UW salary for Chicago is $48,894. Madison is only $40,000 and Milwaukee is $43,400. These bring the UW average down but many students prefer staying in state--especially in Madison despite the lower pay.</p>
<p>The reported SAT figure for UW business is the overall average school SAT as they do not use the SAT for admitting--only 2 year UW gpa. Given the high required GPA I would guess that the average would be higher in the b school. </p>
<p>The reported UW endowment is only one out of three. The Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation has nearly $2 Billion and the UW System about $300 Million most of which is Madison's. Total endowment is closer to $4 Billion.</p>
<p>Okay. Cool.</p>
<p>Check out the average SAT scores for 2007 admitted Freshmen. You can easily find that UI business students have a stronger student body with higher SAT score than Wisconsin (it's near 1340~1350)</p>
<p>BUS 28 - 32 1260 - 1420 91% - 98%</p>
<p>You have no idea what the UW students have as they apply after soph year. All that is published is the average GPA which is around a 3.4-3.5 for two years of college. About half the applicants get in but test scores are not a part of the application. Anyone with over a 3.0 in pre-business at UW is a good student.</p>
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<li><p>Admission to UW-Madison - Students must first be admitted to the University before they declare their intent to pursue a business major. Prospective students should fill out the standard written application available at their high school, Undergraduate Admissions Office on the UW-Madison campus, or apply electronically via the UW-Admission Office Web Site.</p></li>
<li><p>Admission to the School of Business - Once admitted to the University, students who hope to major in business as juniors and seniors spend their first two years in the College of Letters and Science at UW-Madison. Students may apply to the School of Business at the beginning of the semester that they will complete at least 54 credits (junior standing) and all Pre-business required courses. Application to the School of Business guarantees consideration but NOT admission.</p></li>
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<p>UIUC Wisconsin
Accounting rank: 2 17
Finance rank: 10 13
Management rank: 12 20
Marketing rank: 12 9
Insurance rank: 5 3
Real Estate rank: 6 2
International Business: 19 24
Operations Management:16 N/A</p>
<p>UI Business also accept intercollege transfer after finishing their freshmen or sophomore years. The average GPA for admitted students is around 3.6~3.8 which is extremely competitive, that's why the College encourages them to apply as a high school students. And UIUC 1340 vs Wisconsin 1257 (I assume that the average SAT score for Winconsin students also increased this year) shows some real difference. 1257 is just average score for normal Wisconsin students </p>
<p>Hopw many ways do I have to tell yiou. The 1257 score is the average for all UW freshmen although most take the ACT and the average is 28 which is about the same as UI's average ENROLLED ACT.</p>
<p>Also you keep putting up the admitted stats which means nothing as half of the best admits will be going to Northwestern or Chicago or Wash U or Michigan etc. You need the enrolled stats. Obviously you are out of your area of knowledge.</p>