<p>"what about the two viewed in the NYC? And which one has more students admitted by top graduate school such as Harvard, MIT or Stanford, etc.?"</p>
<p>In both cases, Michigan and UVa are roughly equal.</p>
<p>Menehune you clearly have never been to U-Mich or Ann Arbor. It is best to comment on what you know. This person is from China, and prestige is very important in Asia. Can anyone comment about international prestige of the two schools? That is what is most important to the person who started this thread.</p>
<p>rjkofnovi is right....I think the OP really needs some input on which school is considered better in Asia (if that's his concern). Because from where I stand, both schools are great and both are in nice places to live....so either choice would be a fine one. </p>
<p>If it comes down to prestige abroad, maybe there are some differences worth basing an enrollment decision on. I don't know if anyone here can answer what he's asking.</p>
<p>Go to the cheaper school. Both are roughly equal with regards to prestige and placement into top grad programs.</p>
<p>If finances are also not a factor, here are some intangibles:</p>
<ol>
<li>UVA has better weather than UMich.</li>
<li>UVA has a smaller undergraduate population than UMich.</li>
<li>UVA's campus is prettier than UMich.</li>
<li>Charlottesville has better music/dining options than Ann Arbor although they are both good college towns.</li>
<li>UVA girls are hotter than UMich girls.</li>
</ol>
<p>ok, ...</p>
<p>"1. UVA has better weather than UMich."</p>
<p>I wouldn't say better weather, is an orange better than an apple? I knew people, myself included, who liked cold winters and hot summers. </p>
<p>"2. UVA has a smaller undergraduate population than UMich."</p>
<p>This is true, but smaller isn't always better, neither are LAC type of schools, Michigan has a larger international student population, might provide a better support system.</p>
<p>"3. UVA's campus is prettier than UMich."</p>
<p>This is also quite subjective, many parts of UM campus are stunning. </p>
<p>"4. Charlottesville has better music/dining options than Ann Arbor although they are both good college towns."</p>
<p>Ann Arbor is always listed as a top 10 college town, I can't think of any college town that's better in music/dining options. </p>
<p>"5. UVA girls are hotter than UMich girls."</p>
<p>Also, a poor reason to choose a school, not to mention a highly unscientific one, Michigan has many attractive girls, we don't have that Hot Girl reputation, but if you actually step on campus, you'll realize there are hotties everywhere. </p>
<p>If you are coming from China, Michigan definitely has a better reputation if you want to go back there. We have a joint institute with Shanghai Jiaotong University(a premier engineering/technology college in China), they are basically building their school based on Michigan's model. And they send about 10-20 of their brightest engineering students to Michigan every year as exchange students. There are all sorts of ties between Michigan and China, Mary Sue Coleman took a week long trip to China in the summer of 2005, where she met China's minister of education, presidents of Shanghai Jiaotong, Tsinghua U, Beijing U, Beijing Normal U, Renmin U. Michigan's University theme was about "China" last year.</p>
<p>Many famous Chinese scientists and prominent figures are Michigan Alumni, including CC Ting(Samuel Chao Chung Ting), who won a Nobel prize in Physics in 1976. He received all of his degrees from Michigan. </p>
<p>You can check out the rest of University's ties with China in detail at the following link:</p>
<p>History</a> of the University of Michigan and China | 2005 China Visit | University of Michigan</p>
<p>I believe Michigan is more well known in China, probably because it has a longer history there.</p>
<p>UM</a> - China Inititiatives for the 21st Century
There are currently 876 Chinese students (including HK/Macau) studying at the University of Michigan, together with 318 visiting Chinese faculty and scholars.</p>
<p>Ever since Mary Coleman's visit to China about 3 years ago, the University of Michigan has entered into a number of cooperative agreements with some of China's major universities, including:</p>
<p>UM-Beijing Normal University's collaboration in the area of Psychology, Education and Cogitive Neuroscience</p>
<p>UM-Chinese Academy of Sciences' collaborations in the area of Psychology and Education</p>
<p>UM-Fudan University's co-established the Institute for Gender Studies</p>
<p>UM Medical School - Fudan University's academic exchange in the area of Medical Science</p>
<p>UM Medical School - Beijing University Health Science: academic exchange</p>
<p>UM-Beijing University's collaboration in the area of Psychology and Education</p>
<p>UM-SJTU's collaborative research in Chemical Genomics and Drug Discovery</p>
<p>and more...</p>
<p>The College of Literature, Science and the Arts (LSA) and the university's Center for Chinese Studies have recently launched the China Now 2007-08 Theme Year with a series of events including a Dragonboat Race in Gallup Park (<a href="http://www.lsa.umich.edu/chinanow/index.asp)%5B/url%5D">http://www.lsa.umich.edu/chinanow/index.asp)</a>.</p>
<p>Keefer, 5% of UVa students are international - many of them come from China. Also, UVa is well-known for its extraordinary emphasis in undergraduate education especially for a public flagship university. To quote Meredith</a> Woo, who just left Michigan to be UVA's new Dean of the College of Arts & Sciences:</p>
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The University of Virginia is unique among institutions of higher education. It combines the goals and purposes of a public university while maintaining the highest excellence in research and scholarship — and it does so without compromising the quality of undergraduate education. I think that in a great public university, two of the three may be combined, but rarely all three.
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<p>Gaotingting07, to get the best answers about UVa from an international student's perspective (especially from China), you should email UVA's International</a> Student Ambassadors from China. </p>
<p>Also, UVa is a member of Universitas</a> 21, an international consortium of research universities along with Fudan University, Shanghai Jiao Tong University, and the University of Hong Kong. So, UVa has a lot of connections to China and other universities throughout the world.</p>
<p>Good luck next year wherever you go.</p>
<p>UVA is an excellent school Globalist. No one should ever deny that. Glad to see that they are as involved with China as it appears. China is the future of the global economy. Also nice to see another professor from Ann Arbor become the head of a prestigious college and/or university. That says a lot of the quality of Michigan. :-)</p>
<p>Yeah, it's a good feeling. I was proud when Professor Ayers left UVa to be the President of the University of Richmond, and Gene Block left to be the Chancellor of UCLA...though sadly we did lose 2 great profs. Professor Ayers' classes were mesmerizing.</p>
<p>Yes i know what you mean. We lost our last two presidents to Princeton and Columbia. But you can't blame any of the profs or presidents for wanting to go back to their alma maters. :-)</p>
<p>Yeah, you can't blame them. That's why you should hire an alum as the president. You have him/her for life. UVA's president got his BA, MA, and Ph.D. at UVa. He knew he wanted to be the President of UVa since he was a freshman. Ha! I had no idea what I wanted to do my freshman year.</p>
<p>This was in my local paper this morning and has an interesting relevance to this discussion:</p>
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For UD, a bold plan to achieve first rank
Harker outlines vision of a school on par with best public universities
By RACHEL KIPP, The News Journal </p>
<p>NEWARK -- Standing before more than 1,000 alumni and friends Saturday, University of Delaware President Patrick Harker announced a bold new agenda for the state's largest public university, the first step in a plan designed to stake a claim as one of the nation's best colleges.</p>
<p>Few comments irk Harker more than hearing that UD is a "hidden gem" or a "best-kept secret." His proposals are designed to raise the school's image in the minds of students, parents, legislators, donors and businesses.</p>
<p>His vision includes construction of top-notch research and academic facilities; more cutting-edge research; a larger and more vibrant population of graduate and professional students; innovative financial aid programs to help qualified Delawareans more easily pay for their education and a campus that embraces "green" technology in thought and practice.</p>
<p>In achieving these goals, the university will follow paths taken by schools with reputations to which they aspire -- including the University of Virginia and the University of Michigan -- and it will become more aggressive about marketing the school's strengths. A year from now, Harker intends to kick off a major fundraising campaign.
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<p>President Harker came to UD last summer from UPenn, where he was Dean of the Wharton School. Just thought it interesting the two specific examples were UVa and Michigan.</p>
<p>Delaware has much to work with. It is one of the oldest universities in the US, founded all the way back in 1743. The town of Newrk, Delaware is quite quaint and charming and the campus is fun and happening. Most important of all, Delware has one of the coolest football uniforms!</p>
<p>Ok, so the colors are off, but the design is so gosh darn cool!</p>
<p>Alexandre:
Dave Nelson, a Michigan assistant coach, brought the helmet design with him when he became UD head coach in the 1950s. The colors, royal blue and gold, had been in use for many years, though.</p>
<p>hawkette hates Michigan. Look at Alexandre's data.</p>
<p>Hawkette has expressed no opinions-either for or against-Michigan. She just relies upon certain statistics and rankings that usually don't make UM look that great in comparison to the other top privates.</p>
<p>EAD, although I do not pretend to know her motives, Hakette has an agenda. Not that I care. We are all entitled to our opinions.</p>
<p>An agenda?? Anti-U Michigan??</p>
<p>Here is what I posted earlier in this thread in comparing U Michigan to U Virginia:</p>
<p>"In terms of prestige, it's six of one, half-dozen of the other....</p>
<p>The reality is that top students will do very well from either and you can have an exceptional experience from either. As public universities go, both take large numbers of out-of-state stuents (about 33% at each). Both have strong undergraduate programs across a wide range of fields and alumni of each feel passionately about their school.</p>
<p>For the record, in USNWR rankings dating back to 1991, U Virginia has ranked ahead of U Michigan in every year."</p>
<p>and this is followed by the usual litany of data comparisons. </p>
<p>You U Michigan guys/gals are so sensitive. For nearly 20 years, U Michigan has never...not once...ranked ahead of U Virginia and yet I accord the school equal prestige in my opening sentence. It's not I who have an agenda....</p>
<p>Hawkette, there is nothing wrong with disliking a school. It doesn't even have to be personal. Michigan obviously does not operate the way you feel a top university should. We each have an ideal. Like I said, we are all entitled to our opinion.</p>
<p>Nothing to do with disliking the school or the way that it operates. LOL. Not sure where you got that. </p>
<p>I just have a different opinion of the school. It's very good and certainly well liked in academia, but unlike you and other U Michigan partisans, I don't place the school and its student body in the highest echelons in the real world and I think that the data very much supports my view. </p>
<p>I also think that U Michigan's undergraduate student profile and its commitment and resources to undergraduates lags that of many of the colleges that you repeatedly (and IMO, inaccurately) claim are its peers. IMO, the true elite colleges all have better students on average, superior learning environments for undergraduates as measured by things like Faculty Resources, and greater financial resources as measured on a per capita basis.</p>