UM Bad Long Term Decision?

<p>We've seen Michigan being surpassed by Virginia recently, inevitably due to Michigan's strong economic tie with the auto industry. Do you think UM will slowly fall to the wayside as other better funded schools like University of Texas or Virginia gain ground?</p>

<p>What is your source?</p>

<p>The answer is no. The state of Michigan has been struggling economically for over three decades now, and it has not impacted U-M’s reputation very much. Academia, business, nonprofits, and industry know that U-M is an excellent institution.</p>

<p>In the long term of which you speak, the college I went to shouldn’t be the thing I’m hanging my hat on (even if that college were MIT or Harvard). Regardless, I can’t possibly see while Michigan residents would choose UT or UVA over UMich, and we’re who the university was set up for.</p>

<p>You are a little late for that. The state of Michigan has been in recession for the past 7 years.</p>

<p>The University of Michigan’s financial status, however, is in good shape … according to Mary Sue Coleman in her interview with Bloomberg TV. Our research portfolio has just broken the $1 billion mark; we are on track with the plan to hire 100 interdisciplinary faculty over the next few years (that is in addition to regular faculty hiring), etc.</p>

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Where did you get this? Last time I check, UM has a better med school, business school, engineering school, Pharmaceutical school, School of Education, and Law school.</p>

<p>"UM has a better med school, business school, engineering school, Pharmaceutical school, School of Education, and Law school. "</p>

<p>You cant say for sure that Ross is better than McIntyre, at least not at the undergrad level.</p>

<p>Wasn’t Ross #1 or #2 a while ago? What happened?</p>

<p>liu, I assume that you are referring to the USNWR. If that is the case, UVa has almost always been ranked insignificantly higher than Michigan (like anywhere between a tie to a 1-4 spot difference. The USNWR formula suits UVa better than Michigan. </p>

<p>This said, Michigan has not lost any of its luster over the years. It has always been regarded among the top 10 or top 15 academic institutions and that has not changed.</p>

<p>Michigan is obviously worth it, but it depends on personal circumstances. If you are a resident of a state with an elite public university, like California, Illinois, North Carolina, Texas, Virginia or Wisconsin (to name a few), paying that much more for Michigan would make little sense. And the same is true for Michigan residents leaving the state for more expensive out of state options.</p>

<p>"Wasn’t Ross #1 or #2 a while ago? What happened? "</p>

<p>Any rankings that put Ross at #1 are simply worthless, BBA or MBA. </p>

<p>MBA is self explanatory, one could make a case for Ross being a top 10 program.
You have HBS, Stanford, Wharton, Chicago, Kellogg, Sloan, Columbia and then 5 to 6 other programs that could stake claims for the last three slots. </p>

<p>For undergraduate level, Ross still has no business being in the #1 slot. For all that matters, they could teach dog crap at Wharton and Wharton would still be #1 undisputed. Any rankings that have Wharton anywhere but no.1 is either trying to sell magazines by creating controversies or just plain stupid… like the B-week one that has BYU’s business school at no.4 or something. Obviously you could make a case for Ross for the no.2 slot but you can also make an equal case for Sloan, Stern and McIntyre, and a slightly weaker case for Mendoza.</p>

<p>Not quite bearcats. </p>

<p>At the MBA level, there are only 4 programs that I would consider better than Michigan. Those are HBS, SBS, Wharton and Kellogg. Sloan, Columbia, Chicago, Haas, Ross, Tuck etc… are all roughly equal, depending on what you want out of your MBA experience.</p>

<p>At the BBA level, Ross was actually ranked #1 twice by the USNWR twice back in the late 90s. I agree that it should be ranked #2-#4 and that Wharton is the clear #1.</p>

<p>oh come on… didn’t we have this conversation before? I agree Columbia is disputable, but I do think Sloan and Booth should be considered stronger than Ross (obviously sloan and booth are not for everyone in that Sloan is very nichey and Booth is known to be more quantitative).
This is the way I see it. I could see Ross possibly out of the top 10 (if Haas, Tuck, Stern, Columbia etc all come before Ross) and still make sense, but I do not think it is reasonable to have Sloan or Booth outside the top 10 no matter how you rank them.</p>

<p>Either way my point is that there’s no way Ross should be ranked no.1, BBA or MBA or overall however way you cut it.</p>

<p>bearcats, you seriously underrate Ross. Most MBA recruiters generally rate Ross among the top 5-10 programs. As you pointed out, Sloan and Booth are niche schools. To some, they are better than any MBA programs out there, to most, they aren’t appealing. Overall, they are not considered better than Ross. Same goes for Tuck, Columbia, Stern and Haas. I definitely agree that Ross is not #1. At the MBA level, it is anywhere between #5 and #10 and at the BBA level it is anywhere between #2 and #4.</p>

<p>Michigan is significantly better than UVA in engineering and the hard sciences.</p>

<p>Virginia has had MAJOR state funding issues with the state giving a % increase only to give a 20% cut midyear. Basically they are were they were in 2000. Also they lack the research status and funding to challenge any real top U. It’s just small, well located and hard to get into. If it were in Nebraska nobody would ne talking about it.</p>

<p>I was referring to the loss of prestige in regards to undergraduate studies, since it’s significantly tied to state funding. Although UM has a strong draw within the state of Michigan, it may have trouble attracting talent from other states, which I believe is an important indicator of a school’s perceived prestige. Attracting top talents from other states is especially important for a state with a decreasing population.</p>

<p>For graduate school, like Ross, since it’s semi-private, state funding has less of an influence, since the in-state tuition is almost equal to out-of-state tution. </p>

<p>As far as MBA, I have to disagree that UM being a top 5-10 schools. The M7 MBA schools typically dominate the top 10 slots. On top of competition from schools like Fuqua (Duke), Yale SOM, Johnson (Cornell), Stern (NYU), and Haas (Berkeley), there’s not much room for Ross in the top 10.</p>

<p>^^^You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.</p>

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<p>And this is based on …?</p>

<p>liu02bhs, your statement is full of assumptions.</p>

<p>Michigan doesn’t have a declining population. It is growing slower than other (Sunbelt) states.</p>

<p>I would not rank Cornell, Duke, and Yale above Ross for MBA programs.</p>

<p>Yale SOM … lol</p>

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Have you even bothered to check your facts? What % of U-M’s budget is from state funding?</p>

<p>And did you even bother to read my post (#4). Michigan is HIRING additional faculty (on top of normal faculty hiring). Which other university do you know is doing that?</p>