<p>401 and 402 would be required for a Minor in Econ, as would a couple more 400 level Econ courses.</p>
<p>To be specific, an Econ minor requires 401, 402, a statistics course, and 9 credits of upper level course work, of which 6 credits of coursework that list 401 or 402 as a prerequisite must be taken</p>
<p>I am currently a senior in high school, and will be taking Micro for the second time now. I am retaking it so that I can get a better grasp for it. If it is possible, I would like to take the second level of micro in my freshman year. How hard would it be for a freshman? Should i wait till sophmore year?</p>
<p>also, if i dont get into ross....can i still take business classes and major in a business related field in LSA?</p>
<p>You can major in Economics in LSA. If you wish to major in a Business-related field, you have to get into Ross.</p>
<p>You can major in Economics in LSA. If you wish to major in a Business-related field, you have to get into Ross.</p>
<p>so what do all the kids do if they dont get into ross? they pretty much wasted their time doing all those pre-req classes. right?
do they mostly end up just majoring in econ in lsa?</p>
<p>Ross pre-requisites are required for Econ majors anyway, so there is no waste. But definitely only come to Michigan if your first goal is to get a degree (LSA or Ross) from Michigan. If you go to Michigan just for Ross, you are taking a risk. You are better off going to another school if that's the case.</p>
<p>You have basically no chance into getting into "second level micro" as a freshman. By second level micro I assume you mean Intermediate Micro, which is 401. 401 has a Calculus I prereq, so you will need that. But either way, the class will just fill up with sophs and juns before you even have a chance to register. Further, you will likely get your socks knocked off by 401 if you take it as a freshman. Even as a sophomore, it's a HUGE jolt if it's the first econ class you take, which it will be, because if you place out of 101 and 102, you can't even get into the 300 levels as a sophomore because they fill up so quickly too.</p>
<p>If you don't get into ross, there's really no "business-related filed" in LSA. I guess the closest thing is Econ, but Econ is honestly on another planet compared with business, even though there are some similarities, it is WAY less similar than most people think. You can however take up to 15 credits of business I believe if you're in LSA.</p>
<p>Econ 401 isn't that bad if you're really good at math. One of my friends took it freshmen year, and I know at least two other ones that I think just took it for SS distribution without previous econ experience (which is what I should have done instead of taking Econ 101...). They were all honors math majors, and all got A's or A+'s.</p>
<p>haha, great response dilksy - "the class is really easy if you're really smart"</p>
<p>unless you have a lot of credits coming in, you're probably not even going to have the option to register for 401 as a freshman, though, so don't really worry about it too much</p>
<p>Well, the point is you don't necessarily need background in economics itself if you have sufficiently strong quantitative skills. Most upper-level classes in other subjects would be very difficult without the prerequisite material, no matter how smart you are.</p>
<p>is 401 really upper level though in any sense besides the high number? I always thought most people took it sophomore year or something?</p>
<p>on a different note, why are econ courses numbered so weird? There isnt a single 200-level econ course and the third course in the sequence is 400-level.</p>
<p>econ 401 and 402 are complete jokes. Most of IOE friends and I took them for IOE tech elective. Most of us never "show up" (as in we pretty much sleep) for classes and gets As. It's so funny the curve setters in the class are generally all engineering, math or bschool majors while the majority of the people at the bottom of the curve are actual econ majors. i dont understand how ACTUAL econ majors can struggle and get stuck behind engineers or bschool kids in 401 and 402..shouldnt you be good at what you are majoring in?...</p>
<p>"Further, you will likely get your socks knocked off by 401 if you take it as a freshman."
One of my friends and I took it as freshman, got As.</p>
<p>Lol bearcats not all econ majors struggle with 401 and 402, and not all engineering majors had a good time with their econ classes just like you did. In fact, a couple of my IOE friends actually had a hard time with econ 310 that eventually forced them to take the class as P/F while one of them is retaking it this semester. You sound like you're saying that all econ majors're stupid or something.</p>
<p>lol so many people have problems with 310 because the professor is truly the biggest JERK in the university ..that chad hogan motherf--ker does not care, does not teach, and does not give a dam. In fact, IOE advisor advice people to avoid that class or take that class pass/fail because of his reputation lol</p>
<p>and my point is, shouldnt econ majors have an upper hand because they actually major in econ? But that clearly isnt the case, the concensus is, engineering majors and business majors generally set the curve in that class, and most people who struggle are actual econ majors. The instructors actually made a joke about this btw. Obviously there are exceptions, but this is generally the case per my observation.</p>
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You have basically no chance into getting into "second level micro" as a freshman. By second level micro I assume you mean Intermediate Micro, which is 401. 401 has a Calculus I prereq, so you will need that. But either way, the class will just fill up with sophs and juns before you even have a chance to register. Further, you will likely get your socks knocked off by 401 if you take it as a freshman. Even as a sophomore, it's a HUGE jolt if it's the first econ class you take, which it will be, because if you place out of 101 and 102, you can't even get into the 300 levels as a sophomore because they fill up so quickly too.
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<p>I have no idea about the difficulty of the class, but at least a dozen of my friends took 401 second semester of freshman year. It is entirely possible to at least get into the class then.</p>
<p>All the people I knew who were math or physics majors taking 401/402 thought it was realllly easy. The business and other people tend to think it is hard, basically b/c they suck at math. If you have math skills, this class isn't hard.</p>
<p>What a bunch of BS in this thread, really. Bearcats, why are you so full of yourself? </p>
<p>Econ 401/402 are hard classes. I'm in the b-school and before I took Econ 401 before I got in. While I managed a B, it was a lot of hard work. The math isn't hard...its just hard to grasp the material conceptually.</p>
<p>401 and 402 are not "really" easy, and that's coming from someone who has no issues with Math. I aced Math 215, 216 and 217. 401 and 402 are not that difficult either mind you, but to most students who are not mathematically inclined, they are challenging.</p>
<p>"its just hard to grasp the material conceptually. "</p>
<p>bull *****. There's no material to grasp. You either get it or you dont. It's not like there's a lot of material to study for. it's all quantitative, less so for 402, but definitely true for 401</p>