UM student taking any questions you have

<p>its either/or...doesn't matter. I sent in both but you can assess your scores and send in the strongest one if you want</p>

<p>Not a dumb question at all. Michigan accepts SAT and/or ACT scores. Last year, 67% of students sent ACT scores (mid-50% being 26-30) and 58% of students sent SAT scores (mid-50% being 580-680 verbal and 630-720 math).</p>

<p>Source: <a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1195&profileId=6%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1195&profileId=6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Ako86, answer me this. Can you choose the GSI you want for a class? And if so, could you tell me who the best/easiest Great Books GSI's are?</p>

<p>Also, there seems to be slim pickings among honors courses. Did you feel limited by the lack of courses designated for Honors kids?</p>

<p>Anybody else, feel free to jump in!</p>

<p>The answer is "sorta." On WolverineAccess you can see the instructor of each course, although GSIs are usually the very last to be added (it's usually blank early in the summer) and that's typically just days before class starts--thus you would have already registered.</p>

<p>Also, GSIs change what courses they teach all the time--and tend to graduate. Thus, even if there was a list of the best and worst GSIs (which I don't think there is, as they aren't around like profs and sites like ratemyprofessor.com can be created), they probably wouldn't be teaching ths same class even the next semester. =/ Good luck!</p>

<p>Some GSIs are on rate my professor, since all people ranked are student added. A good portion of math gsis are foreign, speak bad english, and are very bad teachers. Some GSIs are lazy and protested for rights this year (*** they're grad students-they compete for gsi jobs and they're basically paid to be the biatches of the university) causing many cancelations in classes. You can however run upon some very helpful gsis-it's all a matter of luck.</p>

<p>yah i got a letter from the honors program and it has a list of various greek works and im just curious if i have to read all these works over summer before i begin at michigan... thanks!</p>

<p>Hey guys,</p>

<p>usaisaok, those are the books you are going to read in class. You don't need to read them over the summer!</p>

<p>In terms of GB GSIs, it depends on what you are looking to get out of the class. The easiest GSIs by far are Carrie Wood, Kristin Cleary, Terrance Finneran, and Nils (I think his last name is Christiansen). If you want to really LEARN a ton about the books and develop an appreciation for the lit, go with Ramsburgh (if he is still at UM), or Superfine, or Gigolov (I'm not sure exactly how his name is spelled). McNaughtan has a cool Irish accent. Personally I would recommend Ramsburgh if you can get him, or Wood.</p>

<p>this'n'that,</p>

<p>I agree, the lack of honors classes is the biggest drawback of the honors program. It's a pain to have to take two honors courses each semester, because 99% of the honors classes offered are huge intro classes you probably don't want to be taking. I suggest you look into doing an honors conversion on a class you are really interested in. You just need to turn a paper into the honors office and to your professor (honors program approves anything, don't worry. They're super laid-back). Then you just have to do some sort of extra project (like an extra paper or presentation) and the class counts as honors. It's usually not much more work than a regular class, but then again, honors classes never are.</p>

<p>Thanks, Ako! Sounds good. I just have a quick question. When I go to orientation, I can get permission from my advisor to do an honors conversion for virtually any course (besides those designated for other academic programs)? Do honors kids do this often?</p>

<p>I don't think you can arrange an honors conversion at orientation. That's usually done at the start of the semester, because you need to get the signature of the professor/GSI for the class you want to convert. </p>

<p>I believe any class other than language classes (or classes that are already honors, obviously) can be converted. Like I said, the people in charge of the honors program are SO helpful and will approve pretty much anything. You just get a form signed by your professor, turn it in to the honors office, and you'll get approval in a few days.</p>

<p>I know lots and lots of kids who do honors conversions. It seems like a pretty popular thing to do. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Roughly 60% of Michigan students submit their SAT and the mid 50% range is 1230-1400.</p>

<p>I had a quick question. I have work-study in my financial aid package and was looking on the site the other day as to some future prospects for work-study. I know that I can do UROP work-study, but if for some reason if I don't get it I was wondering if there is anything else like this that I could do. I saw that there is some community service work study. How does this work and does this at all relate to Michigan Community Scholars?</p>

<p>Hi midnightsun,</p>

<p>Check out the student employment website at <a href="http://www.studentemployment.umich.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.studentemployment.umich.edu&lt;/a> (it sounds like you have already, I guess). There are always tons of lab/research jobs posted for work-study if you don't get into UROP and want to do something in research. Especially if you are interested in the hard sciences, you should be able to find a work study research job. </p>

<p>Community service work-study jobs are open to all work-study students. I'm sorry, but I odn't know anything about Michigan Community Scholars. I do know that you don't have to be a part of the program to get a work-study job in the community service department. A friend of mine got a WS job tutoring kindergarteners in English and loved it.</p>

<p>Can do honors conversion if you're not in the honors program?</p>

<p>No, honors conversions are for honors students only. There's no reason for non-honors students to take honors classes. Conversions are offered because honors kids are required to take 2 honors classes per semester, and they want you to be able to take the classes you want.</p>

<p>Underclassman honors is widely considered to be a joke, however. They pre-accept all the strongest students, but lots of hearsay says that if you want to be in it and you've already been accepted to LSA all you have to do is ask...</p>

<p>In order to graduate "with honors" (on diploma/transcript etc) you need to write an honors thesis in your major (which has nothing to do with the freshman/sophomore "honors program"). Maybe someone who was in honors can clear this up for me because I'm not sure, but I think the "honors program" only gives you a small citation on your transcript (which I don't think is that impressive if it's next to lots of other "honors citations" Angell Scholar, University Honors, etc, etc).</p>

<p>...but the good news is I've taken a few honors classes because I was interested in the material, and they were no more or less difficult than any other class...</p>

<p>Michigan seems very appealing, but since there are so many peers to compete with, how hard is it to get into grad/law school? Is it harder?</p>

<p>^That is a top tier grad/law school, assuming your credential are good.Does michigan accept a large amount of its undergrads to its grad schools/School of Law?</p>

<p>Every school favors it's own for grad admissions.</p>

<p>Michigan does well in grad placement. It's obviously not the best, but it holds its own. It can't compare to Harvard etc if you want to go to Harvard Law, etc.</p>

<p>You also have to remember that correlation doesn't equal causation, either. The kids at Harvard or Stanford are largely the kids who can smoke a standardized test in their sleep, and since law school admissions' main criteria is LSAT score...</p>

<p>Law placement was the number one issue on my list as I was trying to decide between Brown and Umich. I ultimately decided it was up to my LSAT to get me where I want to go - my Michigan 3.9 isn't going to be the limiting factor.</p>

<p>Brownorbust, Michigan places students into graduate schools well. Like M&B suggested, it is not as good as Harvard or Princeton or Yale or Stganford, but it is comparable to most other top universities. In other words, a 3.5 student at Michigan will be as respected and highly regarded as a 3.5 student from Brown or Duke or Northwestern. A 3.7 student at Michigan will be as respected as a 3.7 student from those universities. Etc... </p>

<p>If you are a good student, you will get all the opportunties you seek. A 3.4+ GPA from Michigan, with a 163+ on the LSAT will most likely get you into a top 25 Law school. Of the 110 Michigan students who enrolled into the following law schools, the average GPA was 3.5 and the mean LSAT was 163:</p>

<p>American University, Boston College, Boston University, Emory University, George Washington University, Indiana University-Bloomington, University of California-Hastings, University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign, University of Maryland-College Park, University of Minnesota-Twin Cities, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, University of Notre Dame, University of Washington, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Vanderbilt University, Washington University-St Louis.</p>

<p>A 3.6+ GPA from Michigan with a 168+ on the LSAT will pretty much get you into a top 10 Law School. Of the 30+ Michigan students who enrolled into the following law schools, the average GPA was 3.65 and the mean LSAT was 167:</p>

<p>Cornell University, Duke University, Georgetown University, Northwestern University, University of California-Berkeley, University of California-Los Angeles, University of Pennsylvania, University of Texas-Austin and University of Virginia.</p>

<p>A 3.8+ GPA with a 172+ on the LSAT will most likely get you into a top 5 Law school. Of the 100 or so Michigan students who enrolled into the following law schools, the average GPA was 3.8 and the mean LSAT was 171:</p>

<p>Columbia University, Harvard University, New York University, Stanford University, University of Chicago, the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor and Yale University.</p>

<p>Last year, 60 Michigan students enrolled into Michigan Law school and another 70 or so enrolled into other top 10 Law schools, inlcuding 30 combined students at NYU Law, Georgetown Law and Chicago Law.</p>

<p>Furthermore, in the fall of 2004, 15 Wolverines enrolled into Wharton's MBA program. Only Penn, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, MIT and Cornell placed more students into Wharton...and Michigan students are more likely to enroll into Kellogg, Chicago B School and Ross MBA than they are to enroll into Wharton MBA. </p>

<p>In short, do well at Michigan and you will be set.</p>