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<p>Jenny: All things being equal, I'd do some serious investigating on the squirrels. Whichever school has the burliest ones, go there.</p>
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<p>I said UNC is more conservative than Umich, which I still stand by. I never said it's the most conservative school in the nation. I'd agree that South Carolina, Ole Miss, and UGA are more conservative than UNC.. So what's your point? It's all relative. UMich and Berkeley are historically known as two of the most liberal campuses in the United States - so while UNC may be liberal for a "Southern" school, it's still conservative compared to Umich. Again, it's all relative and when comparing the two, Umich is clearly more liberal. I don't know how anybody could dispute this.</p>
<p>Does UMich really have that much more international recognition than UNC?</p>
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<p>No, not at all.</p>
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I think so, but that really only matters if you're planning on going into international relations, I-business, etc. Out here on the west coast, honestly very few people are aware of UNC's prestigious academic rep. I'm sure grad schools do, but most employers would probably consider a UCSD degree more valuable than a UNC one, even in UNC's powerhouse areas like biology, pharmacy, etc. Here, employers would think more highly of U-Washington, UCSD, UCSF, etc. in those areas, or Berkeley/Stanford in bio. Likewise, I'm sure the opposite is true in the south. If you want to move away from the atlantic coast, perhaps you should consider this. UNC is probably just as good as Michigan in almost, if not all, aspects. But it has much more of a regional rep, and thus you might find "name-awe" harder to come by outside of that area. Just a thought, I'm sure many here will disagree, but being someone who's fairly aware of the "big-name degrees" here on the west coast, I think I can probably speak pretty truthfully for this part of the country. Not to deter you from UNC, if I were an employer I'd think very highly of the degree, but the truth is that it just hasn't gained the attention it deserves yet on the national stage. Just my 2 cents, I still wouldn't worry too much about it unless you are seriously considering moving to another part of the country, out of the States, etc. good luck!</p>
<p>eadad, wasn't the first battle of the civil war at fort sumter? and correct me if I am wrong but it was the North that beseiged the small island in Charleston Harbor. Also the North also fired the first shot at the fort after realizing that it was going to take to long. The South's intentions were never hostile. They just wanted to live the way they so desired and in order to do this they had to separate from the U.S. I am not saying that the confederacy was right or wrong but before you go criticizing it you might want to get your facts straight.</p>
<p>^^mmk, question: why does the state of SC still fly the confederate flag then?</p>
<p>y'all...you have to trust me on this one. i am from mobile, alabama. over 40% of our senior class went to University of Alabama last year. boys spend thousands on their trucks getting jacked up tires, winches, grilles, and lots of other "accessories." guys and girls at my school wear costas, laCoste, rainbows, ralph lauren, top siders, etc. TRUST ME i know southern conservative-ness when i see it. anyways, i do not consider UNC liberal...i'd say moderate-to-conservative. is UNC just as conservative, southern, and preppy as Ole Miss or Alabama?? not even close. however, i do NOT consider it liberal.</p>
<p>learnmestuff: Your provincialism is showing.</p>
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<p>Yes, and that's a regional bias. Most employers in the Research Triangle Park here in NC, for instance, would hire a UNC grad (all things being equal) over a grad from Berkeley; UCSD; UCSF; UMichigan, etc. That has nothing to do with how internationally known (or not) any of these schools are. That does not mean, however, that UNC-CH has only a "regional rep." In fact, the very statement is a ludicrous. UNC-CH is one of the top research universities in the world.</p>
<p>Both Michigan and UNC are fine universities, both extremely well known. The 2008 USNWR lists Michigan #4 and UNC-CH #5 in public university rankings.</p>
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eadad, wasn't the first battle of the civil war at fort sumter? and correct me if I am wrong but it was the North that beseiged the small island in Charleston Harbor. Also the North also fired the first shot at the fort after realizing that it was going to take to long. The South's intentions were never hostile. They just wanted to live the way they so desired and in order to do this they had to separate from the U.S. I am not saying that the confederacy was right or wrong but before you go criticizing it you might want to get your facts straight.
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<p>Whats your point?</p>
<p>janieblue, what are #1-3 in this ranking? i am just curious</p>
<p>whoa whoa. unc is def liberal. even for reg. standards. but its only chapel hill thats liberal. it's entirely isolated. everywhere surrounding is hicktown</p>
<p>lulumobile: Berkeley is #1; UVA #2; UCLA #3
USNews.com:</a> America's Best Colleges 2008: National Universities: Top Schools</p>
<p>I agree with TarHeel...UNC is VERY liberal...especially compared to state</p>
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Yes, and that's a regional bias. Most employers in the Research Triangle Park here in NC, for instance, would hire a UNC grad (all things being equal) over a grad from Berkeley; UCSD; UCSF; UMichigan, etc. That has nothing to do with how internationally known (or not) any of these schools are. That does not mean, however, that UNC-CH has only a "regional rep." In fact, the very statement is a ludicrous. UNC-CH is one of the top research universities in the world.
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<p>Janie, your "I'm going to use a big word I think you can't understand"ness is showing. </p>
<p>I actually did say that the whole thing WAS a regional bias.
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And, actually, it has everything to do with how well known the school is. What you're saying is that in Boston, for example, an employer would take a BU grad over a Stanford one, since BU is close-by, and therefore has a "regional bias" toward it, even though Stanford is much more internationally renowned. That, Janie, is a "ludicrous" statement. Sometimes I think you're love for UNC over-takes the facts. I love UNC; obviously I wouldn't be applying if I didn't think it provided a fantastic education. However, it's strengths lie in certain areas. Obviously biology, pharmacy, and like majors are nationally renowned. However, unlike Michigan and Berkeley, it doesn't have an incredibly diverse array of programs ranked in the top-10 nationally. In fact, it's real strengths pretty much lie within its Journalism and health depts. And, of course, it's a great value. UNC</a> : ACADEMIC : FACTS AND FIGURES
UNC</a> News - Recent Rankings and Ratings
^^As you'll see, the vast majority of their ranked programs are in health/biology.</p>
<p>Now, compare that to Berkeley: UC</a> Berkeley - About UC Berkeley - Honors & Awards - Graduate Program Rankings
UC</a> Berkeley - About UC Berkeley - Honors & Awards
8.18.2006</a> - U.S. News picks UC Berkeley as top public school again</p>
<p>And Michigan: <a href="http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_rankings_07.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_rankings_07.pdf</a>
U-M</a> remains strong in U.S. News rankings</p>
<p>Now, you can put it all together in Shanghai Jiao Tong University's world rankings: <a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm</a></p>
<p>I personally am not a huge fan of rankings, I think they truly only tell part of the story. But likewise, numbers don't lie, and since you pulled out the USNWR rankings, I thought it would only be fair to the OP to balance it out. As you can see, they're all extremely intelligent, fantastic schools. But UNC just isn't quite on par yet, as far as international reputation and prestige goes, with Michigan and Berkeley.</p>
<p>learnmestuff: I did see your original point about the regional bias. I hadn't missed it. </p>
<p>Once again, your insistence that UNC is not well-known internationally, or "just isn't quite on par yet" is ludicrous. I agree that Berkeley is a powerhouse, though, and is probably more well known than any of the other schools you mention. </p>
<p>However, in terms of "international reputation and prestige" compared to Michigan, and those other CA public schools you mentioned in your earlier post-- again, I think you need to do your research. </p>
<p>I doubt the OP needs you to tell her about Michigan, though. That's where she's from if I'm not mistaken. The bottom line (for her) is that she has been offered a scholarship at Michigan, a fine university. She is also now a finalist in arguably one of the most prestigious and unusual merit scholarship programs in the country, which--if she makes it through-- would allow her to attend both UNC and Duke on a full ride (and what do you know-- only offered only at our little ol' regional school-- UNC!). She is also interested in pharmacy, and I believe UNC's pharmacy program is ranked #3 in the country. I'm guessing here, but if I guessed wrong, I'm sure you'll throw up a ranking or two to let me know (even though you're "not a huge fan of rankings").</p>
<p>She is also an African American female, and UNC has been consistently ranked by JBHE as having the highest number of African American students among universities (the highest number of AA faculty among public flagships as well).
The OP has some great options.</p>
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Okay, so you didn't even look at the links. Because if you HAD, you wouldn't still be arguing that it has more notoriety than Michigan. And, believe it or not, I HAVE actually researched my local universities (who'd a thought?!). Turns out UCSF kicks butt in the medical world. As does UW. <---Check out your fave USNWR to see ;). Many of their departments are ranked #1 in the country medicine-wise.</p>
<p>But I definitely agree on the great options thing. Personally, with her major, if I won that UNC scholarship, I'd take it over Michigan. I just think it would provide an enriching experience, and UNC, as I stated before, is a powerhouse in the health areas, of which she is interested. My posts had nothing to do with UNC not being a good school, obviously it is. I was responding to a question about whether UM "really has that big of a difference in internat'l reputation over UNC." The two should not be confused with each other, for they are completely different topics. </p>
<p>Anywho, I certainly hope we haven't distracted from your thread, jenni! best of luck wherever you attend!</p>
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<p>If you don't believe that an employer in Boston is just as likely (if not more likely) to hire an equally qualified BU grad over a Stanford grad, you need to get out into the real world for awhile. I hate to tell you, but there are a lot of people outside of California that aren't even aware that Stanford exists. Reputation in academic circles does not necessarily translate to the real world.</p>
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I hate to tell you, but that's perhaps one of the most bizarre statements I've heard on this site, ever. Unless you are speaking about a hobo on the streets of South Central LA, everyone worth mentioning has heard of Stanford. Employers certainly have, and isn't that what the whole argument was about anyway? You honestly think a qualified employer in Boston hasn't heard of Stanford? LMAO!!! If that's the case, why is the avg. starting salary of a Stanford grad pressing 100k?</p>
<p>Since your experience is limited to California, perhaps you should be a little less sure of yourself. I did not suggest that Stanford is not a well known school and I am sure it is, in fact, well known in metropolitan areas. And I am sure most Stanford grads are employable. However, none of that really changes the fact that a lot of people outside of the western part of the country are not that familiar with the school, particularly if you get outside the larger cities. The same could be said for a good number of the prestigous eastern schools outside the northeast. I will take my experience over yours any day of the week.</p>