Umich Or Unc

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
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And I am sure most Stanford grads are employable. However, none of that really changes the fact that a lot of people outside of the western part of the country are not that familiar with the school, particularly if you get outside the larger cities. The same could be said for a good number of the prestigous eastern schools outside the northeast. I will take my experience over yours any day of the week.

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<p>So the same should technically be said for Harvard and Yale. But I can guarantee that if two equally qualified UC Davis and Harvard grads applied for a job, the Harvard one would get it 9 times out of 10. You'd be foolish to say otherwise. BTW...my cousin is a Stanford grad, and was offerend professorships at Yale, Columbia, and Delaware this year. He took a position at Northwestern. </p>

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I will take my experience over yours any day of the week.

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ROFL, you have absolutely no idea what her experiences are like, just like we have no idea what yours are. Enough with the arrogance, it sounds really quite childish.</p>

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But I can guarantee that if two equally qualified UC Davis and Harvard grads applied for a job, the Harvard one would get it 9 times out of 10. You'd be foolish to say otherwise. BTW...my cousin is a Stanford grad, and was offerend professorships at Yale, Columbia, and Delaware this year. He took a position at Northwestern.

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<p>You're really bringing up two separate issues here. Your cousin is an academic-- totally different ball game from industry recruitment-- plus, his specific area of expertise would come into play here, too.</p>

<p>In terms of industry recruitment, a lot depends on the alumni working in that particular industry. If there are more working at an industry from UC Davis, or even just a few-- but they happen to be in key positions (ie, hiring) than from Harvard, the UC Davis grad will have a better shot. Again, I think much depends on the region as well.</p>

<p>As an aside, it's interesting that your cousin turned down his 2 Ivy offers. In his own options, he turned down what many would have considered the better choices. Again, way too many variables here to believe that the Ivy grad (or, as in your cousin's case, the Stanford grad with the Ivy offer) is the one that will, "9 times out of 10" be the top choice.</p>

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<p>learnmestuff;</p>

<p>I know that you and VC08 have yet to attend college, and you both appear to be from California, where Stanford is, admittedly, a big deal. This alone suggests to me that your experience in the real world beyond college rankings is limited. As I completed undergraduate school over 30 years ago and have had a reasonable amount of "real world" experience, I am reasonably comfortable with my observations. The fact that your cousin is a Stanford grad has no materiality at all to what I said. You appear, like most on these boards, to attach way too much emphasis on the prestige factor.</p>

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<p>I'll lay a fact on ya for consideration. </p>

<p>Equally qualified Harvard grad and Texas A&M grad up for the same job in Houston? The Aggie's gonna get that job most every single time. Geographic region and alumni network are incredibly important factors to consider and I don't think there is one college that can claim their diploma trumps all....not even those the caliber of Harvard or Stanford.</p>

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<p>Yep, ldmom-- "alumni network" -- key phrase there. ;)</p>

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<p>ldmom06,</p>

<p>I think you are talking to the deaf. It's hard to convince a young person who thinks he or she has all the answers. I suppose that I might have been a little bit that way at the same age. It's amazing how ideas and opinons can change with a little age and experience.</p>

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<p>tyr and ldmom</p>

<p>Agree with everything you have said......had to chuckle when I saw the UC-Davis versus Harvard argument....last I heard and read, UC-Davis was not a peer school of UNC......it really is about frame of reference and real world knowledge...they failed to mention in all the rhetoric about Michigan that UNC first and UVA second are the top two publics to feed the IB world on Wall Street normally filled with HYP grads....call it East coast bias but UNC grads and a UNC degree means more on the East coast than a Michigan degree......mainly because they know hard the UNC undergrad admission is for an OOS student.</p>

<p>Californians are much like Texans (and I can say it because I am not a native) both states really do think the world revolves around them.....the Texas-centric belief system is the one main reason that I insisted that both my kids go to college out of state.....I won't say more less I offend one of the native Texans on this board.....LOL!!!</p>

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<p>wow now this thread is really coming to life, I love it! thanks so much to EVERYONE but especially to janieblue, u have given me some of the best advice in regards to making this decision. I am now fairly confident that if I receive the Robertson, I will make unc my home next year. However, if I do not receive the Robertson I am quite sure that I will be just as happy at umich. thanx again, u guys have been invaluable!</p>

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<p>jenny790: Oh, thanks. I'm so glad I was helpful. Usually, I just get complaints here. ;)</p>

<p>You definitely can't go wrong either way. Best of luck with the Robertson, though. Let us know what happens. :)</p>

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<p>jenny</p>

<p>Look back through past year CC archives as well. There are many posts (mine included) that deal with accepting a major scholarship at UNC (in our case Morehead) over a "more prestigious" school (in our case Yale) and how things have turned out after the fact. Ldmom has a daughter who selected UNC over Rice and others, and there are MANY more who post here regularly who have been through what you may be facing.</p>

<p>I am in NO way trying to diminish the great opinions /advice that other parents or alums (like janieblue) are giving you, but am pointing more to the wide variety of opinions you are getting from other high school students (some aren't even seniors) whose bias (maybe even axe to grind) is unknown.</p>

<p>Why not let those who have been through it before and can offer real world stories help you steer the course as well? It IS a difficult decision, but the hindsight we can share may prevent some of the sleep we lost while going through the process.</p>

<p>Just my $0.02...for what its worth....</p>

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The fact that your cousin is a Stanford grad has no materiality at all to what I said. You appear, like most on these boards, to attach way too much emphasis on the prestige factor.

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<p>Wait, then why attend Stanford over, say Texas A&M, if "prestige" doesn't matter? Why attend UNC over Colorado State? Or Harvard over Missouri. Shoot, someone shouldda told me before I applied everywhere!</p>

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I know that you and VC08 have yet to attend college, and you both appear to be from California, where Stanford is, admittedly, a big deal.

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The fact that only 44% of Stanford students are from within the state suggests that it is also a "big deal" elsewhere.</p>

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I think you are talking to the deaf.

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That is slightly offensive for someone of your honorable age and expertise to be saying, don't you think?</p>

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mainly because they know hard the UNC undergrad admission is for an OOS student.

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Perhaps, just to shed some light on there though, after a quick glance at the two schools' respective profiles, Michigan OOS students (on average) have higher grades and SATs than UNC OOS admitted students. </p>

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Californians are much like Texans (and I can say it because I am not a native) both states really do think the world revolves around them

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Well, it does (at least in CA, not going to speak for Texans). How many of you can honestly say a beach vacation with 70 degree weather doesn't sound inviting in the middle of January (and we don't get hurricanes, another added bonus)?</p>

<p>Just my $.02 cents ;)</p>

<p>Anywho, good luck jenni, I'm sure you'll be an amazing person whatever you decide...if you want "Plan C", you know where to find me...and we def need to figure out our squirrel name ;)</p>

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it's interesting that your cousin turned down his 2 Ivy offers. In his own options, he turned down what many would have considered the better choices.

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Not for chemical engineering. NW trumps Yale in that discipline, though it was hard for him to turn down the "Yale Faculty" honor.</p>

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I think you are talking to the deaf.

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Ironic, I have a very good friend who is deaf. She's at Princeton right now. Good thing I'm reading this, and not her.</p>

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Californians are much like Texans

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Except for the fact that we're just better looking and don't talk funny. I mean, we are "The Golden State," after all ;)</p>

<p>It's been fun chatting with you folks, have fun applying to college!</p>

<p>btw, speaking of "alumni," how is the alumni base at UNC?</p>

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That the North was actually the one who started the fighting</p>

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<p>unc please!!!</p>

<p>Re-read my post; all I said was that in South Carolina they still refer to (what everyone else in the world calls) the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression. I did not imply anything about the origins of the war, who was right or who was wrong, I was merely using that fact to illustrate that UNC (and North Carolina in general) is far more liberal than other "more Southern" schools like U South Carolina. Also you cannot dispute that the Confederate flag still flies on the statehouse lawn.</p>

<p>I honestly don't understand the comments or apparent vitriol, I was merely stating facts.</p>

<p>As I also said, I pay tuition to USC since my D goes to school there.....so I obviously am not trying in ANY way to denigrate South Carolina or its residents.</p>

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<p>ur right(i often skip words while typing..) eadad...
when i studied US history..and then realized that there is confederacy flag in SC welcome center...i was very upset.
I mean come-on ... its the United States now....
nobody even thinks like the north is better or anything..</p>

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<p>vc08</p>

<p>Stanford is a private school, has no legislation that governs the residential make-up of its student body and can control (through admissions) the diversity that THEY desire to maintain whether by sex, race or geography. Do you think it is coincidental that most top privates have either a 50/50 male /female ratio or one that is VERY close to 50/50? It is certainly not because the applicant pool is split 50/50.</p>

<p>The admissions committees at these schools work hard to keep the class profile they want to have. The fact that Stanford IS 44 percent in-state actually works the other way in your argument because Stanford actually LACKS the geographic diversity that most of its peer schools (HYPS for example) are able to offer. Add to that its very high Asian population and Stanford actually has a student profile quite different than most of its peers.</p>

<p>Not a knock on Stanford, just stating the facts.</p>

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<p>sry i forgot "right" in the first line in my last post.</p>

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<p>Vc08,</p>

<p>I intended on responding to the points made in your post, but after some consideration realized that nothing you said has any logical relationship to the point that has been made by multiple people. So, I want bother.</p>

<p>To anyone that might have been offended by the word “deaf” in a previous post, I apologize. My intent was to refer to those who simply don’t listen to what is said, rather than referring to anyone with a disability. On reflection, my choice of words could have been better.</p>

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<p>how in the world did i miss this very entertaining thread.</p>

<p>so no one jumps on me, i love unc. i actually wanted to go there years ago but at the time, even though it was a wonderful, welcoming school, felt a little out of place there. i waited a year before college and then went to another school for the first two years and when i visited, it felt like a place for a younger crowd. now, please hear me out. in ways, it still does. i would be very happy if my s went there but, i can see the comments about it being small and not as worldly. we live in a city and ch is a bit small. but again, beautiful and etc.
i am a mom and i cannot believe i am saying this but the comments here are condensing. you young ladies....i guess or young guys have a point. you have to have grown up in the sticks or be very uneducated to have not heard of stanford. i have had a similar conversation with uga grads. when i lived in va, i had never heard of uga. when i lived in miami, no one talked about william and mary. and when i lived up north, very little was said of unc. more was said of duke (sorry). that does not mean they are not good schools. but they can tend to be more regional than others. we visited bc and the admissions staff will tell you they have a hard time recruiting in the south esp. nc. but i would say um is more known in all of those areas. me personally, unc all the way. but if accepted to both, put lots of time into checking it out yourself. my s looks like he will be admitted into 3 of this top 4 choices. if it turns out that way, he will have to decide because bottom line it is his life. none of our comments are as important as how you feel.</p>

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<p>oops i did not mean condensing! i need spellcheck.</p>