<p>Where are goldenboy and mikejohnson?</p>
<p>These threads always play out the same way haha :D</p>
<p>Baises formed in support and in opposition of schools. Yadayadayada.</p>
<p>Truthfully both your options are good and I think you should chose between fit. Do you want a big school, or a medium sized school? Ann Arbor or Evanston/Chicago? More geographically diverse student body, or more from instate?
Bad weather or bad weather? :D</p>
<p>allcapella, I agree that those are two great options. Ross preadmit is a special opportunity that really gives the OP the best of all worlds. I do not think it is wise to turn it down.</p>
<p>āGonna have to disagree.ā</p>
<p>We get it Jakey54. Northwestern is the bestest at everything as compared to Michigan. Of course that is complete hogwash.</p>
<p>Northwestern is a target for bulge bracket IBD and management consulting firms. You canāt go wrong between these two choices so choose based on fit. </p>
<p>I can only speak for the consulting world but MBB recruit at both but a few niche consulting firms like LEK, Oliver Wyman, and Booz & Co. target NU but donāt recruit at Michigan.</p>
<p>I would give Northwestern the edge for MC firms but Ross the slight edge for investment banks.</p>
<p>Again, please choose based on fit.</p>
<p>Booz & Co. does not recruit at Ross? 4 Ross undergrads accepted offers from Booz last year? LEK and OW also recruit at Ross. I am not sure where you got your information from. Not many join LEK or OW (because they usually have better offers), so they do not show up on the table that shows the ātop hiring companiesā, but if you look below to the companies that recruit at Ross (meaning they actually recruit on campus), you will see that Booz & Co, LEK and OW all recruit BBA students. </p>
<p><a href=āhttp://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentData2012.pdf[/url]ā>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentData2012.pdf</a></p>
<p>Ross trumps Weinberg (regular) for corporate jobs, tech jobs, industrial jobs, management consulting jobs and investment banking jobs. MMSS and Kellogg Certificate recipients obviously do very well, although exact placement data is not provided for those.</p>
<p>I guess goldenboy cannot speak for the āconsulting world.ā</p>
<p>Ross is ranked #1 for Strategy and Management at the undergraduate level, and among the top 5 at the graduate level. Management Consulting firms think very highly of Ross. At total of 15 placements in Bain, BCG, Booz and McKinsey (out of roughly 80 Ross undergrads who seek consulting jobs) is pretty impressive. At the MBA Level, Ross is one of the 5 or 6 most heavily recruited by the Big 3 Consulting firms. Considering its size (it is significantly smaller than those who place more), it is a pretty strong indicator of how highly Ross is thought of by Management Consulting firms. Only Chicago, Columbia, Duke, Harvard, MIT, Northwestern, Penn and Stanford can compete with Ross MBA.</p>
<p>Iām an instate prospective freshman considering both NU (Econ+Math) and Michigan (Ross BBA). Are there any significant recruitment/career placement advantages at NU, over Ross? Student-body wise, which school would you say will have the more competitive students in terms of grades? (Correct me if Iām wrong, but both schools operate a grading curve, right?) Iāve heard that Ross BBAās curriculum is not particularly challenging, while the students can be cutthroat competitive, but would the same be said about NUās econ and related certificate programs? (Obviously, if the majority of your classmates are trying to break into I-Banking/finance at NU, then that would be a major hindrance in terms of maintaining a good GPA/competitivenessā¦) </p>
<p>Basically, Iām asking because NUās tuition will be about 17k/year more than Michiganās irresistible instate tuition (when you include the grants/scholarships Iāve received from UMich), so Iām trying to see if the costs justify the difference, if one exists, in job placement/recruiting at NU.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>^^Do you honestly believe the competition will be less at Northwestern? Go to Michigan for the dollar difference. Your decision is pretty easy IMHO.</p>
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Alexandre, any student can get any job from any school if they have sky-high academic credentials that drastically separate themselves from the pack or if they have the right connections. However, all of these companies have ātarget schoolsā that they recruit at to bring in probably 90% of their hires. The remaining hires apply directly on the company website and impress these firms with their incredible credentials or they have some sort of connection (family or fraternity) to senior management.</p>
<p>Michigan is not a ātarget schoolā for LEK, Oliver Wyman, and Booz according to these firmsā websites and there are no recruiting events for UMich students.</p>
<p>[Oliver</a> Wyman Careers- Recruiting Events](<a href=āhttp://www.oliverwyman.com/careers/18.htm]Oliverā>http://www.oliverwyman.com/careers/18.htm)
[Apply</a> Now | L.E.K. Consulting](<a href=āhttp://www.lek.com/join-lek/how-to-apply/apply-now]Applyā>http://www.lek.com/join-lek/how-to-apply/apply-now)
<a href=āhttp://www.booz.com/global/home/join_us/at_your_school[/url]ā>http://www.booz.com/global/home/join_us/at_your_school</a></p>
<p>Northwestern is an undergraduate target school for all three of these strategy shops while Michigan is not, except for its MBA program for Booz.</p>
<p>Feel free to prove me wrong by showing evidence of an Information Session that one of these companies has hosted for Ross undergraduates but until then, I will trust the actual websites themselves.</p>
<p>BTW, LEK and Oliver Wyman are incredible firms and 80& of Ross grads would thank their lucky stars if they got offers there.</p>
<p>Starting salaries for those those ^ are like 150K. Not bad!</p>
<p>pretty sure OPās mind doesnāt rest on a couple of corporations. Companies like that only take in a few kids yearly regardless of which school. </p>
<p>Nobody goes to college thinking āMan Iām coming here just so I can work at Goldman or Apple one dayā</p>
<p>OP seems to have a broad range of interests between Econ, Business, and Engineering.
Within that scope, Michigan seems to be a slightly better pick.</p>
<p>goldenboy, what makes you say that booz only recruits out of Rossās MBA and not BBA? The link you posted says Ross School of business at University of Michiganā¦ making no reference to only graduate students?</p>
<p>@rjknovi, I actually believe the opposite, that Northwestern will be slightly more competitive than Ross/Michigan, considering the higher stats of its entering class (even when compared to those of Ross), and more selective student body.</p>
<p>^I canāt speak from firsthand experience about econ majors at NU, but at a Ross undergrad Iāll tell you that it doesnāt get much more competitive than this. People seriously care about grades in Ross classes, very noticeably more than in my freshman year LSA classes. Also I donāt know why you think NU has higher stats overall than Ross; thatās probably false actually. Pre-admit stats for Ross are way higher than NU and the kids that get in regular excel above their peers freshman year. I donāt think youād notice a difference in ability with NU undergrads and Ross undergrads.</p>
<p>goldenboy, you said that Booz, LEK and OW do not recruit undergrads at Ross. That is incorrect. Booz has always considered Ross a major target school, both for BBA and MBA students. Your link does not prove othewise. It states Michigan Ross. It does not single out MBAs. </p>
<p>OW also recruits heavily too. The Ross link I provided proves my point. I do not need additional proof. I never said that Michigan was a ātargetā campus, I merely said that they recruit Michigan BBAs. Michiganās career office will not make up that companies recruit undergrads if they do not.</p>
<p>And while you are correct about LEK not recruiting on campus, I would add that there are several consulting firms that are just as respected that do, such as Deloitte Consulting, PwC Consulting, A.T. Kearney, ZS Associates and Accenture. </p>
<p>Bottom line, the top 4 management consulting firms all recruit Ross undergrads heavily. Of the remaining top consulting firms, the majority (at least 7 of the next 10) do recruit on campus. </p>
<p>For students seeking major corporate opportunities, be it with Fortune 500 Companies, major Infotech or Biotech companies, IBanks or Consulting firms, Ross makes better sense than NU Weinberg, unless the OP is confident that he will get into the MMSS program or into one of the two Kellogg Certificate programs. The 100 or so Northwestern undergrads who graduate from one of those three programs annually will indeed have excellent professional placement, but the remaining Weinberg graduates will not find such jobs as easily as Ross BBAs.</p>
<p>I am an NU grad and my daughter is a Soph at UMich so I have love for both schools. I think debating which school is ranked 7 vs 12 in a particular discipline is not a basis for choosing your school. Your success coming out of either school will be completely dependent on what you do while you are there. My personal opinion is that Ross might have more support and resources for getting a job in the business world immediately out of college. NU believes in a strong Liberal Arts undergrad experience and graduate school for your business degree. But choose the school that feels right. Do an overnight stay at both schools and decide where you feel more at home. You really canāt go wrong here.</p>
<p>How competitive is it to get into the MMSS/Kellogg Certificate programs at NU?</p>
<p>You should ask this question on the Northwestern forum. I only know that the MMSS program enrolls 30 or so students in its Freshman class and another 30 or so students during Sophomore year. Each of the two Kellogg Certificate program enrolls 50 or so Seniors. Given the fact that you have 2,000 students per class, those numbers are awfully small, and given those three programsā reputation on campus for being good feeders for strong professional placement, I would assume that they extremely selective, but I am not sure to what extent. Perhaps you can get some data on the Northwestern forum.</p>