<p>okay, so i got into UMich and was invited to apply to the honors program, but I always applied ED to UPenn. I think im gonna be deferred though so it looks like it's gonna come down to UPenn or UMich. I applied ED to Penn because i knew my chances were better if i did that and i didnt think Michigan was erally the best place for me because its so cold! But... now i dont know!! I'm looking for a school that has friendly, fun, smart people that know how to work hard and play hard. I'm afraid that Penn will be filled w/ dorky people who just want to study all the time. I also heard that kids at Penn are really snotty and stuck up...i dunno someone give me some advice!!</p>
<p>Penn is considered the "Party Ivy". UPenn is very prestigious and there are plenty of social opportunities.</p>
<p>Penn kids are not dorky; while a certain portion of any school's population will be filled w/ people who study all the time, i doubt penn is any worse than any of the other prestigious schools. if you are instate at michigan its one of the best bargains in the entire country, but Penn is a fantastic school. what's ur major?</p>
<p>Time to rent "the big chill"</p>
<p>beprepn</p>
<p>Penn is not dorky at all and is considered to be the Social Ivy, along with Dartmouth.</p>
<p>thanks guys if eel better about my ED application now...not sure what i'm gonna end up majoring in, possibly pysch or communications</p>
<p>It doesn't sound like you really looked much into Penn when filing your ED app, other than the fact that Penn ED gives one a significant advantage.</p>
<p>thats not true at all. i visited countless college campuses and finally decided that Penn was the right place for me when i applied ED. My hesitations now are the result of various comments that have been made to me when i tell people i applied ED to Penn. I was completely confident in my application and then i started hearing things like "all anyone does is study" or "they're all so snobby and jappy" so now I'm a little worried that's all</p>
<p>penn? lol </p>
<p>i partied at Penn back in October when i visited. you call it dorky? OMG, it ROCKED. it's a college of fun people who can work hard and know how to play.</p>
<p>Penn students will certainly be generally richer, which may or may not be a scene you're comfortable with.</p>
<p>I agree with escape. You're going to have a bit snobbier kids at Penn. I went to a middle-class school and I have two friends at Penn and two at umich. The ones at Penn say the people are stuck up and generally unfriendly, and that they're not used to the demographics. The people at umich say the partying is awesome (sports too), and the people are generally more down-to-earth since it's public and whatnot. The honors program at uMich is also (statistically) more prestigious than Penn.</p>
<p>"The honors program at uMich is also (statistically) more prestigious than Penn."</p>
<p>lol, statistical prestige doesnt really mean much.</p>
<p>i got in Michigan honor easily, but got rejected by wharton............i'd go to wharton in a heartbeat................</p>
<p>I'm really not sure how you can say you got into michigan honors "easily". You could have been borderline, who knows. But the mid percentiles at michigan's honors program (32-35 ACT) outstrip most Ivies.</p>
<p>There are going to be snobby, dorky, and rich kids at pretty much any school in this country.</p>
<p>From my experience at Penn, those people did exist, but the other 99% of the student body was tons of fun, down to earth, smart, and liked to have a good time just as much as they cared about their grades - that being a lot :)</p>
<p>If you get into both, you will have a tough time deciding between those two amazing universities. I would not worry too much about the little details. Michigan and Penn are equals in most respects. What I would focus on is overall fit. Both schools have very wealthy student bodies, so I would say a significant portion of the student body at both schools is going to be somewhat snoby/elitist. Penn students are certainly not dorky or nerdy. I have known several students at Penn and visited the Penn campuses often and I found Penn students very fun and well grounded. Both schools have top notch reputations in the academic and professional world and both of them have top psychology programs. Finally, both schools have incredible resources and great facilities. So do not worry too much about the technicalities. Focus rather on the big picture. It should really boil down to which campus and locale appeals more to you.</p>
<p>Untilted, the average student in the honors college at Michigan is pretty stellar. The mid 50% SAT range is 1420-1550 and most of the students in the honors college graduated in the top 1% of their high school class with an average unweighed GPA of 4.0.</p>
<p>OOS Michigan and Penn are about the same price, right? I'm pretty sure that most people would choose Penn's prestige over Michigan's diversity. The choice is a bit more difficult if you're in-state. </p>
<p>Knowing how to deal with `snobby, dorky, rich' kids is a useful skill, especially if you plan on working at an investment bank. Remember, there are plenty of those types at Michigan who wanted to attend Penn and other Ivies.</p>
<p>Hillstreet, in terms of diversity and prestige, Michigan and Penn are roughly equal. Some may argue that one is more diverse or prestigious than the other, but by and large, they are equals. I think the OP would be better off chosing a school that fits him better.</p>
<p>And Michigan is roughly 20% cheaper than Penn for OOS students, assuming the student does not require need-based aid. Over the course of 4 years, the OP could save roughly $30,000 by attending Michigan, assuming he does not qualify for need-based aid.</p>
<p>Alexandre -- All I said was that most people would probably choose Penn over Michigan. You worked at an investment bank before, right? Were there more Penn or Michigan grads? </p>
<p>That aside, Ann Arbor is nicer than Philly.</p>
<p>I did work at Investment Banks in the past. There were far more Wharton alums than Michigan Business school alums. I would never debate that point. Then again, Wharton is about twice the size of Ross and those are the main IBank feeders at the respective universities. Besides, I would never question that for Business and Investment Banking Careers, Wharton is #1 (although Ross is not far behind). But in terms of overall academics and prestige, Penn and Michigan (not Wharton and Ross) are quite similar and the OP is not looking to major in Business or to join IBanks. He is interested in Psychology and Communications. I am not sure about the preference of most students given the choice between Michigan and Penn. From my experience, of the 30 or so students I have known who got into both Michigan and Penn, it has been a draw. So based on my limited experience, I would not agree that students would chose Penn over Michigan if given the chance...but I have only known 30 or so students who got into both of those schools, so I could be wrong. We can definitely agree on Ann Arbor though! hehe</p>
<p>alexandre, how is Michigan 20% cheaper for OSS students? Last I checked,
Mich OOS is $38,031
Penn is $42,100</p>
<p>So OP could save 8,000 by attending Michigan for 4 years... nice try.</p>
<p>Forgot to add: I applied to UMich, but it's a big turnoff that as a state school it costs like $40k. UNC is a much better value at $30k</p>