<p>michigan doesn't have EA, it's rolling admissions.</p>
<p>We can't give you a chances evaluation if you don't provide some stats, background info</p>
<p>I have posted my stats on a previous thread can you take a look?</p>
<p>Med_TMuds, I actually saw a similar post like this in the Michigan forum and I was surprised to see the bias people have to their own school. I actually applied to NYU-A/S, UMich-AA, Cornell A/S and McGill University last year with the intention to go down the pre-Med road and was accepted to all four. I also had an opportunity to visit all of them over a course of two months.</p>
<p>To answer your questions:
1.) Pre-med life - Don't know exactly what you mean but, like someone else said Pre-Med is tough and I'm fairly sure that unless you're an amazing independent studier you'll eventually need to make/join different study groups. Out of the four schools only one, Michigan, had a program (HLSS) where you would dorm with other Pre-Med students and have the chance to study with them on a daily basis (pretty cool!) . Don't expect a walk in the park with any of the three schools you're looking into.
2.) Overall social life/scence - NYU and UMich are very different in this aspect; I live in the city and I know about the great things that it has to offer, amazing areas to visit, great museums, parks. The bar/club scene in the city is a lot of fun but, it's expensive. If you're planning on partying and eating out two to three times a week expect to pay around 70-100 a week. UMich is the most prominent theme in the Ann Arbor and was rated as the number one college town in the nation- when I visited it I felt it. I read that the average age of the people living there was in the 20's, that's amazing. I love sports, and NYU wouldn't be able to recreate the excitement that you'd feel during a football weekend or a bowl game.
3.) Grade Inflation? Great Curves? Private schools generally have better grade inflations and curves; UMich is notorious for it's low average GPA and hard intro pre-med courses. The study-hard, party-hard theme is everywhere :). But, it's not like Medical schools don't know this, I read somewhere that a 3.4 a Mich would get you into a very well-respected med school, and a 3.6 and above would get you into the elite oones. Not too sure about NYU.
4.) Any major rules.. UND has curfew I hear.. Both schools don't have any major rules, some dorms in Mich are Substance/Smoking free though. I don't think NYU had any major rules.
5.) Fin Aid Package satisfaction..? Both schools are somewhat prudish with the Fin Aid, NYU only offered me a package at around 15k, while Mich gave me one of 26k.
6.) Med School Acceptance rate..? Varies by year at both schools.
7.) The town environment - Sort of explained above, if you plan on going to NYU don't expect the true college experience, i.e. frat parties; bowl games. The city-life is nothing like it.</p>
<p>I actually chose to attend U-Mich because of the true college experience it offered and the chance to live with other college kids. Both NYU and Mich are great schools- don't let the stupid acceptance rate #s, and SAT scores affect your decision. I would say that the acceptance rate goes down in NYU because of how hard it is to get into Stern, and that the acceptance rate at Mich goes up because, yes it is a Public school; the administration does need to take in more in-state students. It really is a matter of preference. You'll be able to do very well in both schools as long as you keep your mind to it. Also, it gets pretty damn cold in NY too, Mich's winter only lasts about a month longer!</p>
<p>thanks for the advice</p>
<p>what do you think of my chances..i posted it on a below thread</p>
<p>You can't judge UMich by how many kids from your public HS got in. Some publics are very highly regarded, while others rarely get kids in top schools. I am in Bergen County, in NJ and like the middle school guidance counselor said in regards to standardized tests, 95th percentile isn't unusual around here, it doesn't guarantee locally that you will qualify for the top high schools, its even worse for college apps, some areas have loads of high achievers, others areas, not so much.....l</p>
<p>Chances for UND, NYU, and Mich....however, notre dame for early action and michigan ill send it in during September..</p>
<p>-Profile:-</p>
<p>-Asian Indian from New Jersey</p>
<p>Stats:
SAT I- 1480/ Math IC - 760, Math IIC - 800, Bio- 790, Physics- 790, Latin- 720, Writing- 640/</p>
<p>8 APs: Biology, AB Calc, BC Calc, Latin: Vergil, Chemistry, Physics B, English Language, Statistics
-Mostly 5's and 4's</p>
<p>Grades:
Freshman year, I had attended a prep school in which I received a 98.5 average with the highest GPA of a 4.2/4.2 with the most difficult courses and perhaps ranked in the top three students academically.</p>
<p>(Sophmore-Senior)
I attend an elite boarding school, Deerfield Academy, where about 33% of the seniors attend the Ivy Leagues. At this difficult place, I, personally, have an 88 average. The school, however, does not rank. The kids who get accepted to Harvard, Princeton, or Yale get around a 90-93 average. Thus, this school is very competetive and a feeder to the top universities. I am on target for perhaps the lower end of the Ivies and other great institutions.</p>
<p>I actually just graduated and I enrolled at Vandy but I am taking a year off. I did not get into Cornell RD and got waitlisted at JHU. My current plans are to attend a biomedical science college in India, do research, do many community service in the neighboring areas and in hospitals, and come back with a solid foundation entering pre-med in college. I hope this is a good idea to benefit myself as an individual and also for colleges to look upon.</p>
<p>Also, another question, as I take a year off, will colleges consider and lean towards primarily on my senior year grades and what I do the year off?</p>
<p>P.S.- Those sat IIs and 4 additional Ap courses are new and after the deadline that I am adding for my re-applying process this year so I dont want you guys to consider that the same results would proceed again this year.
Also, I realize the 640 SAT II writing is bad, but I heard that they may not consider writing so my 1480 is pretty legit as one component.</p>
<p>I have a great list of extra-curriculars which I have not compiled yet but will do so. But I have had many leadership obligations and awards with a well-rounded base that ranges from amazing,
- excellent community service from all kinds with many hours and extends to an international scope.
-Dance for 5 years and choreographer and leader of various genres. We have an excellent program
-Vbaseball 2 years - went to new england championship. Varsity Soccer and swimming for 1 year.
-Debate with a few awards. Math team with many awards and great scores & percentiles nationally.
-President of several significant clubs that have made impact on the community and to myself. -Dance, Yoga, Black student Association, Vocal percussion-
-Piano for 7 years- taking lessons, performing in recitals and bands. Some accapella (vocal percussionist).
-Big Brother/Math Tutor/Buddy system/Head Tour Guide/Technology Proctor/Website Editor/Hospital Volunteering</p>
<h2>I have additional great activites plus awards whcih I have not listed. But most ly, I hope what I have done in such an environment and caliber of my school is what will be impressive to colleges.</h2>
<p>Reccs: 7 reccs (too much probably, but I know the will read it as they will provide different perspectives on myself)
-2 history, 1 Latin, 2 Science Reccs from (India), 1 Advisor, 1 Dance Teacher</p>
<p>-I will make a community service portfolio with my excellent activities that ranges from international experiences to my local community.
-Also I will send a dance tape and resume as well as a reserach report(s) of the science work I do from India.
-Also, my grandmother passed away during exam week during a term where I received an average of 83. This was sophmore year and I hope NYU, UND, and Mich understands this number as I will be sure to write a letter.</p>
<p>I was wondering if you can base it on..shoe-in, excellent chance, very good, good, or just ok..</p>
<p>Once again EA to Notre Dame which has about a 48% EA rate, and UMich and NYU (RD)..P.s. I am applying to DUKE ED as my top choice.</p>
<p>That's exactly the point, UMich doesn't have EA, it has rolling admissions coupled with a very high acceptance rate.</p>
<p>UMich had:
21,261 Applications/13,272 Admissions</p>
<p>This equals an acceptance rate that is over 62%. When you consider the fact that it's rolling admissions, the people who apply earlier get in at a rate even higher than 62%, that's not my idea of selective. I say "bummer" to the guy who didn't get in if he applied early in the process, he's a rare case. GC's at good high schools know UMich accepts almost everyone who applies early in the process, this is not some secret.</p>
<p>yet michigan has a 46% yield rate while nyu only 38%. there are over 15 kids going to nyu from my school while we have 6 kids going to michigan. Does that mean nyu is easier to get into than michigan? of course not. just like if more people got into michigan than nyu it doesn't necessarily mean michigan is easier to get into. just stop with the whole "everyone gets in" argument b/c obviously not everyone does. you make it seem as if people who don't get into michigan are idiots. and wat if a school is "easier" to get into than another school? does that necessarily mean it's better? no. ucla has a lower acceptance rate than cornell and uc: berkeley but im sure most people would agree cornell and berk are the better schools. sure michigan stat-wise might be easier to get into but it's still an excellent school with amazing academics in almost all fields of study. </p>
<p>ANYWAY, the purpose of this thread wasn't to debate which was a better school b/c that argument can never be settled. the OP wanted to know which schools were better for premed.</p>
<p>I really don't understand how you can determine a schools quality of education based on admissions statistics and "selectivity," ABirch III. Your unwarranted "hate" towards UMich and, bias towards NYU really has no place in this thread; and I'm sure you'll get a reality check to where ignorance leads to once you do live in the city.</p>
<p>Med_TMuds, I'm not sure about how admission officers look at students that take a year off. The most important thing is to do something worthwhile during your year off and, you'll accompish that. I think that you'll have solid chances at UND (even more so if you're Catholic), Mich, and NYU. I'm not quite sure about Duke. My only advice would be to not send in so many reccomendations, that really seems like way too much. I suggest possibly one from a science teacher, one humanities, one advisor, and one from a person that you've worked with during your year off. Good luck.</p>
<p>What about Duke?</p>
<p>"I would say that the acceptance rate goes down in NYU because of how hard it is to get into Stern"</p>
<p>FYI, Stern has about 500 of the 4000+ NYU freshmen, so it alone does not account for selectivity and SAT difference between NYU and UMich. CAS had an SAT average over 1400 for this year, and the pre-med program there is no slouch. Yes it's true Stern has the highest SAT scores for any NYU school, but the acceptance rates for all NYU schools are roughly the same, with the notable exception of the Tisch film program which has an acceptance rate of under 5% (it's really based more on pure talent than academic factors). </p>
<p>Anyhow, to the OP, you're getting various opinions here but don't let anything sway you too much. I say different strokes for different folks, so you have to decide for yourself which school is best for you. The best thing you can do is visit and talk to the students and profs. at the schools you're considering. Also, you don't have to take a year off and then apply, you can apply, get admitted and then defer for a year (most top schools allow this).</p>
<p>I already graduated jwblue, I am already in the process of a year off with Vanderbilt. But I simply want to give my chances at several other schools of interest and then really decide where I want to go.</p>
<p>My top choice is Duke, a school I have spent a lot of time getting information, discussing with current students and teachers, and it seems like a great school where I want to spend the next four years at especially for pre-med and the overall atmosphere that school provides. </p>
<p>UND, Michigan, and NYU are all sort of match, backup schools to where I want to go. I guess in this thread, I wanted to see where would be the best place to go if my chances did not fare out at Duke.</p>
<p>Could you give me advice on how I can better my chances at Duke and also do you think as of now with what I had posted above, I have a great shot at Duke Early Decision (35% rate)??
thanks</p>
<p>You might want to ask about Duke in the Duke forum (if you haven't already). If you want to compare your other three schools, you're probably better off posting the thread in the "College Search and Selection" forum rather than in the forum of any particular school where you'll likely get biased responses.</p>
<p>Oh sorry Med, I didn't even see your profile.</p>
<p>I think you have a great shot at every single one of the schools you're considering. Despite the fact that your average is kind of low, Deerfield is an awesome high school, and this will certainly be taken into account. I went to Lawrenceville btw, though we only rarely played you guys, I remember 1 soccer scrimmage my soph. year. I'm also a soccer player, I played varsity for my high school and NYU, if you can get recruited for that, your chances go up even more. Your SATs and ECs are strong. If you have great reccs and essays (which you probably will) you'll be a very competitive candidate. </p>
<p>Though of course nothing is assured, I think you're in good shape.</p>
<p>P.S. Vandy is not too shabby either.</p>
<p>Med_TMuds, you seemed to have turned off your private message feature so he's the response to your PM. </p>
<p>"I looked at the statistics of the kids that applied to Duke ED from my school (Stuyvesant HS) and you have similar SATs and a GPA within the range of those that were accepted. Just fill out your app properly and omit the unnecessary info. and I'm sure that you'll have a good chance of getting in. Good luck. -Jimmy"</p>
<p>Wow, what's with all the insults here? I'd imagine this on the UMich board. Look, I never said UMich was a bad school.</p>
<p>Big Red: Yield was not issue, and neither was the NUMBER or people who are attending from your school which has zero to do with acceptance rate. UMich would seriously make sense for someone whose in-state, but for out of staters I don't think it would when you can go to a good private school for about the same price. This is my opinion, I wouldn't pay out of state money for a state school if I got into a top private. Maybe I'm biased b/c I've only been to private schools, but that's what I think. </p>
<p>To the OP: I almost went to Deerfield but went to a boarding school in CT instead. I'm sure Deerfield places quite well at top colleges, so you should be okay. </p>
<p>Jimmy: I don't know why you're so sensitive. I have no hate toward UMich. Pointing out an acceptance rate, stating it has rolling admissions, and saying everyone from my HS got in, can't be considered hate, even to the most PC of people. I'm quite familiar with "the city", I grew up in Manhattan before moving to CT when I was 12, so don't worry about me. Hth.</p>
<p>"Yield was not issue, and neither was the NUMBER or people who are attending from your school which has zero to do with acceptance rate."....."Pointing out an acceptance rate, stating it has rolling admissions, and SAYING EVERYONE FROM MY HS GOT IN,"</p>
<p>so you're ignoring my statement saying more people got into nyu than michigan, while you say your statement about "everyone getting into michigan" is valid? if you can bring up the number of kids who got into michigan and use it as an argument, then i can bring up the percentage accepted who go to michigan and nyu. </p>
<p>"but for out of staters I don't think it would when you can go to a good private school for about the same price."</p>
<p>well first off, michigan for OOS is around 38 thousand a year. Most "good private schools" are closer to 45 (some approaching 50 grand a year). So you are still indeed saving 7-8 thousand a year. Secondly, why wouldn't you go to michigan over a private school? Michigan has excellent academics (as evidence in the NUMEROUS top 10 academic departments), top notch athletic programs (better than most other private schools with the exception of perhaps stanford, duke, etc..), and an excellent scene for an active social life. I don't think having a high acceptance rate should stop you from going to a certain school. </p>
<p>"This is my opinion, I wouldn't pay out of state money for a state school if I got into a top private." - Your statement certainly makes sense if by "top" you mean a top 20 university. But michigan itself is ranked so high. And mich would be ranked even higher if their admissions rate wasn't so high. It's already amazing that they can be a top 25 university while having such a high acceptance rate working against them.</p>
<p>Well, for the record, if I had gotten into both UMich and NYU, I would've chosen UMich in a heartbeat. And I can say the same thing about several of my friends... who are going to UCLA, Cornell, USC, etc because they did not get into UMich.</p>