UMKC 6-year BS/MD Program

I’m just curious why are you asking @MedDude? He’s also an applicant to the program and you’re a high school senior so you’re applying this year regardless anyways.

Oh, I’m sorry. For some reason, I was under the impression that he was an administrator. My apologies. In that case, would anyone else be interested in reviewing my qualifications? :slight_smile:

@jade616, I still don’t understand. You’re a Missouri resident, so you’re going to apply anyways. And it’s not like you can really change your application that much since the application is due in the fall. That being said, the reason you don’t have much of a chance is that you don’t have any health experience volunteering. Doing those things shows you know what getting into medicine involves and that you’re ok being in hospitals and around patients who are sick. You don’t have that at all. Even with your great GPA and even if you had a 36 - if you don’t have healthcare activities it doesn’t mean anything. Getting into any BS/MD program much less UMKC’s will require them.

While UMKC BA/MD does have some diversity, you’ll see that most people in the class are actually Asian, esp. those out-of-state.

@Roentgen, I am an out-of-state applicant. Would you say that extracurricular activities are more important than grades to UMKC’s BA/MD? Also, how are you familiar with this program? Are you currently in the program?

Would I have to apply ED to all schools that have the BS/MD programs?

@LadyPika, UMKC’s BA/MD is a lower-tier program with respect to all combined BA/BS/MD programs. So it’s emphasis on academics is not as high as the more top programs (within reason). So the emphasis will be much more on your extracurricular activities, volunteering experiences, why you wish to be a doctor, etc.

I am familiar with this program bc I graduated from the program.

@jelly765, BA/BS/MD program acceptances don’t usually have an early decision option. You can be accepted to the undergrad and not be accepted at all to the combined program.

Hi,
Im thinking of applying to this program so if anyone can tell me about my chances it would be greatly appreciated! I am graduating high school this year after my junior year. I have volunteered at the hospital the last two years and I shadowed doctors this past summer. I have a 30 on the ACT. GPA unweighted is 3.7. I will have taken 9 AP classes over the course of 3 years. I am also out of state. Feedback is appreciated!

@ysbuckeye‌, well I don’t have any specifics of what you’ve done. I would say if you do get an interview you will DEFINITELY be asked why you graduated a year early and didn’t just graduate with your class and expand your horizons by taking more classes. The 6 year program is already compressed enough where you will graduate 2 years earlier, so the natural question will be why you’re hurrying it up even more.

The youngest people I knew entered the program at age 16 (Yikes! - I believe that is the youngest they will allow to take) and graduated at 22, but they also did 4 years of HS so it wasn’t like they sped up the process then.

@Roentgen, thanks for answering my questions. Also, I would like to ask about the clinic experience you had at UMKC within the first two weeks. Is that one of the largest reasons why you chose UMKC over other BA/MD programs? Sorry for asking so many questions!! I hope I get into UMKC’s program!!

@LadyPika, there really is no “clinic” experience within the first 2 weeks. Ask away, that is what these forums are for. Usually you start your Docent experience about a month after you’ve started school. Honestly, I didn’t really apply to many BA/MD programs. UMKC was the only I applied to. I think for a lot of people the 6 year time period factors in a lot to choosing it. I think that’s a huge mistake and I would not use that as a personal reason to go for the program.

The school tends to really advertise it’s “clinical experience” as to why it’s a great school. I think for many it feels awesome as an 18 year old when you don’t have any other experience to compare the quality to. In all honesty, if I had applied to more than just UMKC, like Brown, Northwestern, Baylor, Penn State/Jefferson, etc. I would have definitely chosen one of those over UMKC.

I think esp. if you’re out-of-state, you really should deeply evaluate the program closely bc the tuition is quite ridiculous:

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could review my stats and provide some sort of feedback.

*Residence: in-state
*ACT: 29 (I haven’t yet received my September scores, I’m hoping for a 30 or higher)
*GPA: 3.964
*I’ve taken 8 AP classes, the rest have been mostly Honors (besides gym and electives)
In addition to this, I have extensive volunteer experience and leadership opportunities, including…
*Secretary of the French Club
*Counselor for 5 years in a row at the local Vacation Bible School
*Superintendent’s Social Justice Officer of my high school
*Youth Advisor of my church’s youth group
*“Senior Artist” of my school’s National Art Honor Society
*Tutor for all levels (elementary - AP) of French, English, history, and science.
*Actress for St. Jude’s Research Hospital’s Haunted House
*Member of all of the honor societies, excluding those for music and theater (Rho Kappa, NAHS, NEHS, NHS, NFLHS, Cliosophic Society, Beta Chi Phi, Mu Alpha Theta…)

As for health experience, I am involved in…
*VITAS Hospice Care, volunteer
*International Cancer Advocacy Network, intern
*Bio-safety lab and vivarium engineering, employee
*Barnes-Jewish Hospital, doctor’s shadow
*School Nurse’s Assistant, during school hours
*Special Olympics “Buddy,” volunteer
*Red Cross, Blood Drive volunteer

I know for a fact that I want to be a doctor, specifically an Oncologist or Hematologist, and, as I’m an in-state student, this is my “realistic” dream school. I’d really appreciate your opinions on how my stats stack up to those of other students, and if you think I’d be considered for an interview. Thanks in advance, to anyone who responds!

@jadehorde You’re in-state with marvelous academics, accolades, health experiences, and volunteer hours. Compared to others, you have great stats. The ACT range is between 22-36. Not very competitive. You will, without a doubt, be considered. Just ensure that you toil hard in your essays and short answers. Make sure you come across as someone determined to be a doctor someday. If you are selected for an interview, make sure that you relax and go with it. Don’t stiffen up. However, they do recognize in-state students, so you have a wonderful chance. The only thing that concerns me is the fields you have chosen. I don’t recall UMKC having much experience with Oncology or Hematology. I am not saying they do not have it altogether, but it is definitely something they do NOT focus on AT ALL as compared to Obstetrics/Gyne, Surgery, Emergency Medicine, Pediatrics, Family Med, Internal Med, and Psychiatry. For these fields of study, they have the whole nine yards in terms of clinics and clerkships. They only have a fellowship program for Oncology and Hematology, and that’s after residency. However, don’t let this discourage you. If you tell them you want to study this, they can scrap something. For example, there is a boy in my program (i don’t know much about him, he’s older) who wanted to do neurosurgery, but they do not focus on that. However, they worked out a plan for him. They could do this for you, the only downside is you have less aid and you will be separated from many without help from your classmates. So, if you want to apply, go for it, but tell them in advance you want to study your unique field.

Oh, I am in my first year if it was not already apparent. :wink: Good Luck! If you get in, I think you’ll love i here!

What’s the difference between applying early action and regular action if early action is nonrestrictive? If I live OOS, then will applying early action increase my chances?

@jadehorde, I think you’ll be fine. Although your ACT is a little low, you should be fine bc you’re in-state. Heme-Onc is a fellowship which you do after an initial residency of Internal Medicine or Pediatrics, which are not very competitive residencies (although that’s changing) you should be fine. Even if you were to match at UMKC’s residencies for Internal Med or Pediatrics, they both have Hematology-Oncology fellowships (this is a more competitive fellowship but you’d worry about that once you start Internal Med or Peds residency)

I’m assuming you’ve done price comparisons of the normal route as well. Just make sure you know what you’re getting into by doing a 6 year program.

What @pastpower is mentioning regarding OB-Gyn, Surgery, Emergency Medicine, Peds, Family Med, Internal Med and Psychiatry – those are all required clerkships that everyone has to take to graduate. UMKC’s main focus is on the broad fields (i.e. Primary Care), it’s mission is not to create specialists like Neurosurgeons. Someone who is interested in that would have to find opportunities outside of UMKC.

@onlythebest13, early action or regular action will not have any affect on whether you get your acceptance to the BA/MD program or increase your chances of getting an acceptance to the BA/MD program. Obviously in order to get accepted to the BA/MD you have to be accepted by the undergrad university first, but that part is very easy to get.

@Roentgen‌, okay I was slightly confused about the clerkships. However, I do not think Jade’s ACT is low. I think it’s excellent. My highest ACT was 26, and I was out of state. I got an interview and was accepted. In addition, I received a minority scholarship, which basically makes my parents pay in-state tuition as opposed to out-of-state. Maybe it was different back then, but UMKC does not base admission on ACT scores. If they do that, what does it prove? They want to see that people have medical experiences, demonstrated interest, and a good interview in conjunction with essay. They’ve denied people with high act scores admission simply because the medical experiences were nonexistent. From what I see @jadehorde‌ you are an ideal candidate. I don’t see anything wrong with your accolades. You’re fine!

@Pastpower, I never said they base acceptance decisions on ACT scores. I think the testing score standard will also be different if you are a an underrepresented minority bc UMKC’s BA/MD program has difficulty recruiting minorities who are underrepresented in medicine. Like I’ve said previously, as UMKC is not a top tier program and their recruitment goals are different as far as the type of doctors they want, they are much more interested in at looking at your extracurriculars experiences.

@pastpower and @roentgen, Thanks for all the feedback, guys! Oh, and I just got my September ACT score back a few minutes ago: I got a 30 this time! Hopefully that will slightly improve my chances. Thanks again for the insight!

Hi everyone, I am interested in applying to this program but I have not yet sent in my AP test scores! Am I at a disadvantage if I don’t submit them until after my application is sent in? Are they even worth sending?
Any feedback would be appreciated!