@Butterfly16, I believe the application asks for your AP scores which you can type directly on the application. The actual score report isn’t needed until once you’ve matriculated so that your advisor gets your score report and can give you credit for whatever class you got the prerequisite score is.
@Roentgen, I was wondering how to report your AP scores as well. I have just finished submitting my application for the first deadline, but I did not see a place for the AP scores on the application. Also, in the application instructions for the BA/MD program, it has no check mark for reporting them.
@LadyPika if it is no longer asked for on the application, then it is probably something that is more pertinent after you get an acceptance and you officially enroll. You’ll send your official AP score report to UMKC so that your ETC can use it to see what classes you get credit for based on your scores.
@Roentgen, that makes sense. Thank you for your quick response.
Hey kids (don’t know what else to call you),
I graduated from the UMKC BA/MD program in 2003 (so not that long ago, lol). I made some really great, lifelong friends - whom I still keep in contact with. I think the program, based on how it’s structured, kind of forces that in a way. You go thru quite a bit at a young age, as a class together.
I was an out-of-state student at the time (there was only in-state and out-state, there was no regional). In retrospect, looking at how things were then, and how things have changed now at UMKC, I would not have gone to the UMKC combined program for several reasons, esp. w/the amount of out-of-state tuition now - that tuition is just crazy, yikes!
So if you have any questions, feel free to ask me. I’m new to this College Confidential thing. Also, realize these are my unvarnished opinions as an alum of the program.
@UMKCRoosMD, would you please elaborate on how things have changed with the program?
@4beardolls, I sure can. Love your avatar, hopefully I can figure out how to change mine.
So as background, the reason why I chose the program was bc there wasn’t such a huge emphasis on grades (like there is now) and bc of the variety of Humanities & Social Science classes you could take to be a well-rounded doctor (I believe those classes at UMKC were awesome). In all their brochures about the program, they really emphasized the humanities/social sciences aspect, the docent system, and getting a lot of early, useful clinical experience. That’s what attracted me to the program, bc it was so different from the traditional medical school, and would make me a better doctor. I wanted to enter a program in which I could learn for the sake of learning, not worry about a grade. There was no required GPA to promote, or at least it was so low (since it was an overall cumulative GPA) and a few of our medical school basic science classes were actually graded Pass/Fail.
Now the policies to promote in the program have gotten much stricter since when I started and graduated. So when I was a Year 3, they required the incoming Year 1 class to have at least a 3.0 science GPA in order to promote from the undergrad campus to Hospital Hill - it’s called getting promoted to “The Hill” - which is from Year 2 to Year 3). Now I think they have it to where you now have to keep a 2.8 (lower than the 3.0 before) science GPA but throughout all your sciences in Years 1-4, which includes medical school level courses - which isn’t easy at all. The problem is that the program is already stressful enough as it is, bc in the first 2 years, you want to make sure you don’t extend in the program. So now, even if your cumulative GPA was stellar, you could easily flub up your science GPA since you don’t take that many science classes. Same for being allowed to sign up to take boards – the policies are stricter.
I think another thing that has changed is the flexibility of the curriculum. It used to be that you took undergraduate Humanities and Social Science classes all the way thru Year 1 and 2 to enjoy college classes, plus a campus semester in Year 4 to study for boards. Now with the Structure Function course (they started it in the spring I graduated in 2003) that combines Anatomy, Histo, and Phys and starts earlier in Year 2, you can’t even take undergraduate courses. Realize you’re only like 19 or 20, at this point. For the Preceptorship rotation, if you were out-of-state, they used to let you do the rotation anywhere in your home state, now I don’t think that’s even allowed anymore.
Talking to family friends in the program that I know now, I think the docent system has changed a lot. There’s a lot more testing and busy work. Like students have to take midterm and final exams for clinic. We never had busy work or testing for clinic. You came to clinic to learn as much as you can clinically, you read about things on your own bc you wanted to learn and become more proficient, your docent would take the time to teach, and at the end of the year, your grade was an evaluation filled out by your docent. I couldn’t imagine having to study for Step 1 and study for a clinic final exam around the same time. It just seems like they’ve taken the changes in the wrong direction as making things harder for students rather than better. My docent was at UMKC for a long time and is no longer there and went to another medical school. I also noticed that a lot of the docents they have now are foreign medical graduates which wasn’t the case when I was there. That’s not anything against foreign medical graduates, since my parents are also foreign medical graduates, but it usually means it’s bc it’s not a highly sought after position by american medical graduates. I was very lucky in that got assigned a docent, who was actually a former UMKC graduate so they kind of know better how the docent system is supposed to work. Just like at any medical school, there will be good faculty and bad faculty. It just so happens with the UMKC docent system you want to have someone good bc they’ll be with you for 4 years and you’ll be asking them for a letter of recommendation for residency.
Those are at least the major changes in the program, that I can think of offhand, that would have highly ended up affecting my overall decision to come to the program. I guess I should be glad that I graduated when I did. 
@UMKCRoosMD, thanks for your detailed explanations. My daughter is 10th grade and I need to learn more about BS/MD programs.
If you want to change your avatar, you can clink on your screen name which takes you to your screen. Then you clink on the yellow box “Edit Profile”. Then you will see “change my picture” on the left hand side. You clink on that to change your picture.
@4beardolls, thanks for that. It’s good that you are exploring programs early as you want to have enough time to build up your CV so you increase your chances of getting an acceptance esp. if the med school is very competitive (med school in general is competitive, but some are a lot more competitive than others). There have been an explosion in the number of these type of programs available since I entered. You might want to check this out as I believe this has a full list: <a href=“http://www.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/BA_MD_programs.html”>http://www.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/BA_MD_programs.html</a>
Cute avatar, @UMKCRoosMD.
Thanks for the link. I will have to spend some time and look into them.
@4beardolls, figured it was most appropriate of a doctor throwing a pill for the patient to take. Not to mention, who doesn’t love the Nintendo Mario games. lol.
I’m a senior at high school applying for BA/MD program. My long term goal is to become a physician scientist. But, applying for BA/MD program and wanting to be physician scientist, is it contradiction ? Also, do they have MD/PhD program ?
@carment, if your long term goal is to become a physician scientist, then UMKC is not the place to do it. UMKC’s medical school mission is to put out physicians who will be clinicians who practice in the community, not physician-scientists.
UMKC does not offer an MD/PhD option at this time. There are other medical schools that do have BA/MD programs that once you get into the medical school you can try to get into the MD/PhD program but that process will vary at different schools.
@carment, I applied specifically for UMKC, because I want to be a clinician and have more patient-physician interaction. There are other programs specifically for aspiring physician scientists like RPI/AMC BS/MD. Maybe, you can look into that one.
@Roentgen and @Pastpower, Hi guys, so I noticed that ya’ll were talking about how influential a student’s SAT/ACT scores are in determining whether or not that individual would get an interview. Currently, I have a 27 ACT and 1850 ACT. I realize that they’re not very high, but they do meet the bare minimum ACT requirement (22 I believe).
I am also an out of state student, from Georgia, so I know that doesn’t help my chances. But as Pastpower was saying, I still could possibly get in. What I’m worried about is how my ethnicity will help/hurt my chances. I’m Asian American, with ancestors from the Indian descent. Pastpower, if you don’t mind me asking, of what ethnicity are you? I keep hearing that Indians are at a disadvantage now because we are the minority in the med field. Is this true?
Basically what I’m asking ya’ll is: With scores that aren’t super high, being of a race that is considered the majority, and being an out of state applicant, how slim are my chances of getting into this program?
Without going into many other details, everything else is pretty well-balanced on my resume; I participated in Varsity Cross Country and Track, have played two instruments, have various leadership positions, Law Day essay winner, NHS, NHES, quite a bit of exposure of med-related stuff.
Thank you guys so much in advance!
@NIDHITHIRUPPATHI, The average ACT score last year for those who matriculated in the program was 29. You’re in the out-of-state pool and you’re Asian (so not an underrepresented minority in which you’d be given at least a little break in terms of lower standardized test scores). I would say your chances are not very high. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible, but it’s quite an uphill battle.
Correction to the above, the average ACT for the class that just entered in Fall 2014 was 30, this was from Twitter for a high school counselor education session apparently: <a href=“https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBbSq6CYAEii5n.jpg”>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBbSq6CYAEii5n.jpg</a>
Average GPA was 3.82 out of 4.0 and they took 114 students.
@Roentgen That’s what I thought. Fingers crossed!
Thank you!
Basically, this is everything that i had in my application. i just messed with my resume and deleted what i could not express in my UMKC app. What are my chances
REGIONAL - Kansas
(Asian Represented)
Male
Grade Point Average
Unweighted – 3.776
Weighted – 4.24
ACT Composite Score – 31
Weighted Class Rank – 40 of 310 THIS SCARES ME!!! I am from Blue Valley West High School and my unweighted class rank is in the 70s.
-Extremely rigorous course-load. Will graduate with 6 science credits and 8 or 9 AP credits + Exploring health professions (not a science credit ; described below)
Affiliations
First Degree Black Belt from the American Taekwondo Association (ATA)
Brown Belt from the Kwanza Marital Arts Academy (continuing)
National Honors Society Member – Multi-Project Leader
Founder and President of the Blue Valley West Go Club
Competitive Member of Science Knowledge Bowl
Member of Center for Advanced Professional Studies Biology Club
Played Tuba for 8 years (5th – 12th Grade)and Studied Trombone for 1 Year
4 Year Veteran of the Blue Valley West Red and Silver Brigade
Member of school Concert Band
Executive leader of Blue Valley West History Club
Member of the KC MAS Youth
Member of Blue Valley West Muslim Student Association
Awards and Honors
Participated in Science Knowledge Bowl Quarter Finals
Participated in the UMKC Honor Band during 2012
Received 1st Place in National History Day Competition in our District in 2012 and 2013
Community Service
Children’s Mercy South Hospital
Saint Luke’s South
Blue Valley District-Wide Tutoring Program ( i am the leader of this)
Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, Palestine (3rd-world nation and a war zone)
Doctor Job Shadows
Dr. Bashar Abdulkarim – KU Medical Center Transplant Surgery
Dr. Ara Hall – Children’s Mercy Epilepsy Department
Dr. Ayman Abdul-Rauf – Children’s Mercy Emergency Room
Dr. Andrew M. Hall – Kansas City Foot Specialists
Currently in Exploring Health Professions (Approximately 120 Hours of Shadowing in a variety of fields from pediatric ophthalmology to KC foot clinics. Takes two blocks of school out of the seven available.)
Yup that’s my life story xD. All of this was expressed in my application.
Chances???