@screenshot I think during the interview days they discussed your question a little. From what I remember, after you have lived in Missouri for the required amount of time, you can apply for residency and for your tuition to change. However, it is a very long and tedious application because they want to “ensure you are moving to MO to stay here, not just to get cheaper tuition.” I recall them saying that they want you to contribute to MO like every other resident even after you are done with the program. From what I understand, it is doable. Once again, I’m not completely clear about the details of the process, but I’m sure you can call the Financial Aid office to ask them in more depth. Hope this helped a little!
@screenshot, I was wondering that as well. There are also usually work study programs that are like $1000 towards financial aid per semester, so x 2 = $2,000 (it will be part of your financial aid statement from the university), which I believe counts toward taxable income, or if they are talking about the income of the parent vs. you (since you’d probably still be classified as a dependent). I definitely think that it is doable at least in the first 2 semesters of Year 1. To give you an idea of what’s been tried in the past, I’ve even heard of people doing the “emancipated minor” thing, but that didn’t work, although I don’t know what their rest of their application looked like.
Another idea, which I just thought of, if you were accepted, you could move to KC early at the beginning of the summer and get a job. I imagine you could easily get $2,000 from that, but I might be overestimating.
As @mscrystal mentioned, one thing for sure is that it is a tedious process. All of the things they’re asking for in that application are “proof of intent” of Missouri residency (obviously they can’t predict the future, hence the key word - intent): http://www.umkc.edu/residency/documents/residency_petition_packet.pdf, – driver’s license, utility bills, tax return, etc.
“I recall them saying that they want you to contribute to MO like every other resident even after you are done with the program.” — I’m sorry, but I kind of had to chuckle at this, because I know people from in-state, who after graduating from the program, doing residency/fellowship elsewhere out of state, and/or getting married, whatever, no longer live in their homestate of Missouri and practice in other states.
@Roentgen Yeah! I thought that was kind of funny too when he said that, but I guess they just want to figure out the “intention” of moving to Missouri.
@mscrystal, I think part of it is when explaining financial aid to parents and applicants, they have to say that, as sort of the official party line for the university, even though people, in reality, will naturally do what is best for themselves and people’s life plans change. Obviously, any public medical school that is state taxpayer subsidized, will want their graduates to give back and benefit their own home state by practicing there (the chances of that are highest with those who have lived in Missouri most of their lives, as people tend to geographically stay close to family when it comes time to settle down). At least in the US, people from the NE tend to stay in the NE, people in the South tend to stay in the South, and people on the West coast tend to stay on the West Coast, outside of going temporarily someplace else for education. The truth is though, as a university/med school, they can’t put residency restrictions on you once you graduate from the program/university, especially with the National Residency Match Program and how it works. It’s not like you’re signing up for a loan with those type of stipulations in the contract.
I do know there are loan repayment programs out there in which that is one of the major benefits if you work a certain number of years as a physician in medically underserved rural and urban areas (as defined federally: http://datawarehouse.hrsa.gov/tools/analyzers/muafind.aspx), but those programs are AFTER you’ve finished your education and taken out loans. As far as I know, there isn’t a Missouri program in place currently where medical students can sign an agreement to practice in the state of Missouri after residency/fellowship, in exchange for in-state tuition now – like 6 years in-state tuition for 6 years practicing in Missouri. Would be nice though.
Thanks for telling us what they said at the interview regarding that – as I get quite a few PMs about that. I knew they probably wouldn’t go into too great a detail on how to do that on interview day and leave it more up to applicants and their parents.
Congratulations to all UMKC Year 6 students who found out whether they matched to residency today!
Hello! 
I was wondering how much of a better chance I have to being accepted if i apply for early action
There is usually no Early Action at the BS/MD program level, like it might be for the regular undergraduate program. That being said, UMKC does have an Early Notification Deadline in mid-October to where your application will then be processed sooner and thus receive (or not) an interview invite earlier, but it won’t give you any more of an edge for the acceptance stage just because you received an interview invite earlier.
@Roentgen and others, thanks for the detailed answers.
Roentgen, do you know how to compare NEOMED to UMKC School of Medicine. For OOS students, the cost of attendance is about the same. UMKC gives you admission straight out of high school to SOM, whereas NEOMED is conditional on Undergraduate GPA and 500 MCAT with 125 on each section. With that said, which one would you recommend and why? Thanks.
@screenshot, first I would say that both medical schools are on the same level in terms of academic tier, with both being low-tier, if not bottom-tier, medical schools. I believe both schools have chosen to be unranked in USWNR rankings. Unfortunately for NEOMED, it is located in Rootstown, Ohio, and thus not close to any major academic medical centers around, unlike UMKC which is at least quite close in distance to KU Med, so you have some chance when it comes to exposure/research in specialties that UMKC doesn’t offer (although how much mentorship you’ll get will vary greatly depending on how mentoring that department chooses to be to UMKC students, and you’d still be seen as a visiting student anyways).
Just FYI, as an OOSer, it’s almost impossible to make it into the NEOMED BS/MD program, just based on prior numbers: http://www.neomed.edu/admissions/medicine/bsmd/COMBSMDC1ClassProfile201515thDay.pdf (Out of group of 104 matriculants, 9 students were OOS which is higher than usual as usually it’s like 3).
With the NEOMED program, one can apply out (in theory) or leave the program and pursue the traditional route without having to make up any lost time/coursework. That’s because NEOMED doesn’t have you skip out on any of the undergraduate requirements:
http://www.neomed.edu/admissions/medicine/bsmd/curr-ug. That’s why you start NEOMED in the summer after high school, and do a full 2-3 years of coursework, essentially making it fit in. At UMKC, depending on when you leave, that’s harder to do, as you would have to make up for lost time and coursework, just because of the way the curriculum is structured, since unlike NEOMED, we skip many of the foundational traditional “premed” requirements. So especially if you’re someone who really thinks you might want the option to apply out to your public med school back home to save money, I would go with the NEOMED program, if those were my 2 choices, since both are the same price-wise.
Also I don’t know how the scoring is with the new MCAT (I know the one previously, the highest score was like a 45), but if I remember correctly, the minimum score to achieve was pretty low.
@Roentgen hey roentgen, can u please explain the level of curriculum that accepted applicants go through? Do they do intro bio and chem such as AP Bio and AP Chem? Or do they head straight on into advanced level bio and chem. Also, what are the questions like on exams for bio and chem, are they conceptual like the new AP curriculum or mostly memorization?
Thanks!
Sure, @american99. You can see the degree plan choices for the BA/MD here. I believe the only options students have now in terms of degree plans are the BA in Liberal Arts (BLA), BA in Biology, or the BA in Chemistry.
http://www.umkc.edu/majormaps/maps/2015-2016/SOM_BLA_MD_2015_2016.pdf
http://www.umkc.edu/majormaps/maps/2015-2016/SOM_BA_MD_Bio_2015_2016.pdf (take one semester of General Bio I + Lab)
http://www.umkc.edu/majormaps/maps/2015-2016/SOM_BA_MD_Chem_2015_2016.pdf
Can you please explain to me what the “new AP curriculum” is, esp. with respect to AP science courses? Then I’ll be better able to answer that question.
@Roentgen AP is looking for more conceptual understanding of the material now, as opposed to practical application in the past. So AP Physics for example has less practical math problems, and now uses primarily conceptual based problems
I have an update from W&J/Temple program. They will finish review of files by tomorrow and then invite candidates for interview. Temple will contact candidates directly. Rejections W&J will call later. April 5th for interview date. Not sure on how many they will call yet.
Ah, ok. Thanks @Watang. I was looking at this, as well, to try to get an idea of what has changed in AP science courses:
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/stem-education/2011/10/20/college-board-official-explains-ap-chemistry-biology-changes
https://simplecandle.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2013/06/21/the-new-not-even-slightly-controversial-ap-chemistry-curriculum/
https://omninox.org/blog/new-and-recent-changes-to-the-ap-chemistry-exam/
http://bpsfanfare.com/696/uncategorized/ap-biology-changes-poorly-implemented/
http://skeptophilia.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-new-eviscerated-ap-biology-exam.html
That being said, @american99, at least at UMKC, General Chemistry I (Chem 211) and II (Chem 212R) is taught relatively straightforward, chapter by chapter. So go to class, read the chapter, work out the problems first at the end of the chapters and understand what’s going on when looking at the solutions, take the exam, profit. Rinse and repeat. AP Chemistry has never really been a complete memorize and regurgitate type of subject, the way say AP US History or AP Biology has been.
General Biology I is the same way at UMKC, although there are no real word problems to work out. AP Biology tends to be much more memorization in terms of facts at your disposal, although the Genetics and Cell Biology courses build on that information.
@american99, oh and to add we don’t take upper level (300/400 level courses) in Bio or Chem, as far as being required by the School of Medicine BA/MD requirements. As mentioned before though, we do skip on some of the traditional “premed” science requirements before jumping into Biochem, Anatomy, and Physiology, which are at the medical school level (during Year 2).
Thanks!
@Roentgen, thanks for a detailed reply.
We’re getting close to the decisions guys!!
What date do you guys think the decisions will be emailed?