<p>"" for Barnard--it's just another school across the street. ""</p>
<p>Yes it is just another school across the street. Columbia2009 thinks that Barnard is not really part of Columbia. CC/SEAS students will be happy as long as Barnard stays as 'just another (independent) school across the street' without attempting to be part of Columbia</p>
<p>Here's a ladder, poxpox. Get over it.</p>
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Harvard students can take MIT courses, join MIT atheletic team and join MIT clubs, get MIT E-mail address and even get MIT student ID card through cross-registration but they get degree from Harvard not from MIT.
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<p>I have never heard of Harvard students being able to get MIT email addresses or get MIT student ID cards through cross-reg. Where can I find information about this?</p>
<p>I'm not sure where more official information exists, but see:
<a href="http://www.wellesley.edu/USStudy/mitcross-registration.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.wellesley.edu/USStudy/mitcross-registration.html</a>
<a href="http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Elipoff/academics/cross-registration.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~lipoff/academics/cross-registration.html</a></p>
<p>(ah, here's something more from MIT:
<a href="http://web.mit.edu/registrar/student/regbook/Fall%202003/pre-reg.html%5B/url%5D">http://web.mit.edu/registrar/student/regbook/Fall%202003/pre-reg.html</a> )
My students do it all the time; you need the ID to get into buildings. I'm less sure about the e-mail addresses, but it makes sense, since you'd need access to the electronic course information system.</p>
<p>Since this thread has reopened- and since I didn’t leave yet, as I intended to- I’d like to reply to a prior post directed to me.</p>
<p>“Let Barnard allow students from a less competitive institution to attend classes and gain Barnard/Columbia (w/e) degrees – and then let’s see monydad’s reaction! “</p>
<p>I can tell you my reaction with complete certainty, because I’ve already lived through this. I attended the Arts & Sciences College at Cornell. Cornell has seven undergraduate colleges with separate admissions, and a heterogeneous student body.</p>
<p>So here is in fact my reaction:</p>
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<li>Turns out, these other colleges are not all chopped liver -as with Barnard, except Barnard students are actually stronger academically than most of them-, and the capability distributions had considerable overlap. I found that out quickly, when some of the “dumb” aggies were kicking my butt in the Bio class we were all taking. The Arts college was not unrepresented in the lower half of the distribution, as well.</li>
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<p>Today, people I knew who attended the “lesser” colleges at Cornell are: professors at Princeton and other leading universities; partners at major New York law firms and investment banks, a wildly successful restaurateur . Evidently, all these people were not so dumb.</p>
<p>-As is the case with Barnard, the students at Cornell’s specialized colleges took most of their courses in their own college. Regardless of college affiliation, a student would not generally choose to take a course that was likely to be over their head, or on the other hand completely unchallenging to them. The college affiliations of the students who were actually in most of the classes I took were indistinguishable to me .</p>
<p>-I myself benefited from the presence of these other colleges, where I took several courses.</p>
<p>-I have friends who married people who attended some of the other colleges. Socially nobody was fixated on SAT scores. Whether they were actually higher or not.</p>
<p>-As is the case at Columbia, the diverse nature of the student body is a fact of life at Cornell, and If I had serious reservations about experiencing this I should not have attended. </p>
<p>By analogy, the Columbia and Barnard affiliation has been in effect since before you were born. Due to the affiliation, Barnard is hardly just “a college across the street”, and probably never has been. If you didn’t know this, you didn’t do your homework, That’s tough on you. But you have no legitimate complaint whatsoever. My daughter knew all about it. Seems like you know about it now too.</p>
<p>Just don’t expect any Barnard student to unilaterally relinquish any of their rights under the intercorporate agreement between the schools simply because cranberry25 didn’t do her homework, and maybe has some “issues” to resolve (in that regard).</p>
<p>-As an interviewer, I would definitely inquire as to which college of Cornell an applicant graduated from, but I wouldn’t expect them to necessarily always volunteer this. Yes the omission can be strategic in some cases, but they have the right to represent themselves that way if they choose. I certainly do not presume to have the gall to try to dictate to other Cornell degree recipients that they must somehow qualify the mentioning of their Cornell degrees so they won't look like mine.</p>
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<li>Whether Barnard “stands on its own” is of no more importance to me than whether Cornell’s College of Industrial and Labor Relations really stands on its own. I don’t think the situations of students at these two colleges is really much different in any way that matters.</li>
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<p>-This is the Barnard College board. I don’t care how the rest of “Columbia proper” reports its stats. It is true that Columbia has long been accused of manipulating their reported stats , by excluding GS stats and , until a couple years ago, not reporting SEAS either.</p>
<p>But the facts on the campus and in the classrooms at Columbia are the same, regardless of how they may elect to portray them externally. People whose analysis capabilities extend no further than reading US News lists at face value do not belong at Columbia. And would be less likely to be at Barnard, which is underranked by US News because the affiliation is ignored..</p>
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<li>Many posters on the Columbia board have added their voice to the notion that views like yours are by far in a minority at Columbia, because frankly they feel their institution is being publicly mischaracterized and embarrassed. It was in this same spirit that the Barnard posters made similar comments on this board.</li>
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<p>I believe these other posters from the Columbia board.</p>
<p>Well, I suppose students at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Brown, and some others can diss Columbia, too, based on at least some measurements. When I was at Amherst, we had some lame chant that we trotted out at the Williams football game that we had higher average SATs than Williams; more recently, Williams gets bragging rights courtesy of US News. But let's face it, all of those schools, plus Barnard, Wellesley, Duke, Carleton, Bowdoin, etc. (and the list goes on) are elite schools and you're not a dope at whichever of those schools you attend. As the years go on, you'll appreciate the opportunities you had more, and maybe cringe a little bit about the preoccupation with convincing your audience (probably yourself, really) that your school is more elite than someone else's. BTW, some of the biggest failures I know in my profession -- law -- are Harvard Law School graduates and some of the biggest successes are graduates of Arizona State. Poxpox, Cranberry et al. probably think that's the most unfair thing they've ever heard!</p>
<p>" I have never heard of Harvard students being able to get MIT email addresses or get MIT student ID cards through cross-reg. Where can I find information about this? "</p>
<p>You can get the MIT ID card from Card Office located at the basement of the Student Center. Maybe you can call them. If you are MIT alumni, you can even get the same E-mail addres used when you were MIT student. You can reactivate(if you are alumni) or create E-mail account at 5th floor of Student Center</p>