Universities with Engineering and non-performance Music Minors

My son will probably major in Engineering, but wants to continue studying music composition as a music minor. He does NOT want to study/perform on his clarinet. Most college search engines don’t search on minors and even so, most music minors are performance based. Since my son and I had to do a lot of research to find these specific music minors, I wanted to share what we found for a school with a decent Engineering program and a non-performance (sometimes called Academic minor) music minor. Our search was focused on finding Music Composition minors, but we settled for some general non-performance music minors. We found that many colleges will not let you take music history or composition courses unless you are in a music major or minor. Also some colleges only have Music Composition or Theory minors that are only for Music Majors (uggh). This is not comprehensive, but here is what we found.

Miami University of Ohio - Music Composition minor (audition required:you submit compositions).
University of Arizona - non-performance based music minor, not specifically just composition though.

Arizona State Univ- Non-performance Music Minor

Case Western Reserve University -non-performance minor (no audition).
University of Colorado- Colorado Springs (not so great Engineering, but it’s there) has unique music minors including Music Comp. & Sound design (no audition).
Univ. of St Thomas (Minnesota) - Music composition minor (Private catholic).
Texas Tech Univ. - non-performance music minor.

Southern Methodist U. (Texas)- flexible music minor: can take composition instead of instrument classes.

University of Tennessee - music composition minor.

Tulane University says composition classes are open to any student.
Univ. of Miami (FL) has music comp. minor.
Drexel Univ (PA) has music comp minor.

Ohio State - a pretty flexible music minor (no performance needed) We missed Ohio’s application deadline.

Oregon State Univ- academic music minor.
Univ. of Illinois Chicago- academic music minor.
California Polytechnic (Cal Poly)- music minor seemed flexible (I think you may have to be in an ensemble 2 units?)

FYI- We are in Colorado. Surprisingly, CU Boulder has no music minor. CSU has a performance based music minor.
We started this search a little late and, if application deadlines had passed, then I didn’t look further.

MIT has a wonderful music composition department.

This is very nice of you to share. I hope you don’t mind a few rambling comments for the sake of your child and for others reading this thread.

By limiting your search to schools that offer a formal minor in composition or even a minor in general music, I believe you are limiting choices too much. And when you write that most music minors are for performance, you are most likely looking at schools that offer BM programs, not BA, which would not be a good fit unless your son wants a double degree.

You have to be careful not to mix apples and oranges, with a list that has both BA’s offered by music departments and BM’s in composition in music schools and conservatories. They are different programs, with the BM 2/3-3/4 music classes and the BA 1/4-1/3 music (Harvard is actually 1/2). BM’s are immersive and many don’t offer minors.

Most (but not all) schools that have a BA program for music are academic programs that focus on theory, composition, music history, ethnomusicology, technology in music, musicology and so on. There may or may not be a performance component at all. There may not be a specific composition minor but composition is part of the program or permeates theory classes.

It is fairly easy to find a BA program, which is offered at countless schools including liberal arts colleges, that will allow a non-music major to study composition as part of an academic music class.

Some BA programs offer a specific strand in composition (example would be Brown) but the absence of that specific strand may not matter as much as it seems.

A student can study composition privately and take a few classes in theory and composition (or even just theory) and still develop during undergrad years.

It is not necessary to do a formal minor in order to take music classes, at most schools with BA programs. Some departments will offer composition seminars specifically for non-music majors, and some have open composition classes. Classes can be taken as electives. A minor is just a specific constellation of classes and may not be that useful unless every class in the minor curriculum is needed for some reason.

There are many paths that composers can take. You do NOT need a formal minor or a specific strand in composition. You can assume that most any academic music department will be offering some composition to students, whether it is hidden in the curriculum or in plain sight. It is not necessary to major or minor in music to make enough progress with composition to enter grad school. I certainly know a person who studied engineering at MIT but then did grad work in composition. I know young composers who went to conservatory, who are now doing academics and the reverse, students who majored in something else entirely and are now doing doctoral studies in composition.

The long view with composition- and it is a long term study- does include grad work, most through a doctorate. There is an argument for having more general studies in music and other areas of study that can eventually help with composing. For instance, poetry and art, or knowledge of history or social issues, can certainly deepen compositional vision. Science and electronics often intersect with music these days as well. Having the flexibility to take interesting gen eds and electives can be helpful (and a minor would hinder that).

There are many many schools where you can take music classes appropriate for composition development, as electives, and where you can have pieces performed. A student can compose on his or her own and attend summer programs and have the required three or four pieces for grad school.

Especially good for liberal arts colleges are the “little Ivies”, like Tufts, Amherst, Williams, Wesleyan, Bowdoin etc. Vassar and Sarah Lawrence come up a lot. Macalaster, Carleton, Kenyon, Grinnell. MIT MIT, Harvard and Brandeis in the Boston area, all have excellent music departments.

The one thing to keep in mind is that a school that DOES have a BM program on campus, meaning a school of music or conservatory, may offer fewer opportunities for a kid like yours than a school that doesn’t because the opportunities go to the BM music students. There are exceptions. But this fact may have skewed your search.

That said, look at Oberlin and Bard, both of which offer a BM in the conservatory but also have a BA in the college and some access for non music majors to music classes. As examples. Lawrence may as well.

Summary to this rambling post: look for general academic music programs at all kinds of colleges. If there is a school he likes in terms of size, location, “vibe”, finances AND engineering, just look at the music department site or email them and see if 1) compositions can be performed 2) if lessons are available on campus or nearby and 3) if theory and history classes can be taken by non-majors and 4) if there is a composition seminar open to non-majors (not essential honestly). Believe me , there are many many schools.

And doctoral students at top composition programs come from all kinds of schools and degree paths.

If engineering is his focus, make that a priority in the search, in other words, and assume that many of those choices will also work out for music, with adequate composition experience with or without a minor.

Again apologies for the lack of organization here. I was going to rewrite and condense but am posting as is and hope it is helpful.

Good luck!

ps Read the Double Degree Dilemma if you haven’t- it’s posted near the top of the forum

Compmom- This is so helpful! I hope that it will be especially helpful for those just starting to search. Like many, we are limited financially, not willing to go into much debt. Your points about our research being skewed by looking at schools with BM degrees is really important. Would have been better to search for engineering schools that also have BA Music degrees. If I or my son had known a better way to research, we may have found more opportunities. He is a senior, so we have finished applications. I would suggest to others, that if your child has musical interests, that you start researching these things in Junior year! Compmom- When you talk about summer programs, are these usually offered by universities? With my limited research and several colleges to which I sent e-mails, the music comp & theory classes were limited to music majors or they said you have to ask a professor or academic advisor for permission to take those classes (which sounded to me like “probably not”.) Any suggestions on how to find Composition lessons outside of colleges?

Most composers are happy to have private students. And it’s possible to have lessons via Skype, as well. Reach out to your teachers for recommendations. Or your local university music department or conservatory. Or PM me and I’ll set you up with my son :)>-

They really do mean ask permission and often it is much easier than you think to get into classes that way. Really.

For lessons, it is possible to get permission for that for credit, or for independent study but he can also do it privately and pay ($60/lesson maybe, per hour, once a month can work).

Summer programs are offered by some schools and some are not affiliated with schools. Brevard is an example. New Music on the Point, Atlantic, NEC’s SICPP, Aspen… There are many throughout the country and in Europe. Some are for more advanced students but over the course of his undergrad years he could try applying.

I would just like to say that you are very nice and generous to think of others in this thread :slight_smile: Wishing your son good luck in his path and know that it can work out in many different ways, and there is plenty of time.

FYI- On another thread, someone posted that there is a brand new (for Fall 2018) music minor at CU Boulder. It was not on their website a month ago. In fact, I still can’t find it on the CU website unless I go directly from the link that was posted here: https://www.colorado.edu/music/academics/undergraduate-advising/music-minor

@dogladyJ When D auditioned at CU Boulder they told us they have many students doing the BA in music that are also engineering majors.

Were they doing a double major or a double degree? A double degree might be possible- in 5 years- at many of the schools on the OP’s list.

A double major would require plotting out courses for both majors to see if the schedule is feasible (and deciding on acceptable stress level!) The BA at U of C Boulder is a liberal arts degree versus the BM so that would be no different than doing a major in, say, English and engineering- tough but maybe doable- but with music you do have to add in time spent on lessons, rehearsals and performance, and in this case composing. It’s a lot!

A double major is certainly more possible with a non-performance liberal arts BA music major. But again, for a composer, even that is not necessary if there is access to theory or history classes, lessons and performance.

Here is the U of Colorado Boulder’s info for non-majors https://www.colorado.edu/music/academics/non-major-studies but it is also possible that with permission, a student could take some composition classes not listed. I would look at the Continuing Ed Applied Music site (not accessible at this moment, I looked), where non majors take lessons, to see if composition lessons are included, and who teaches them. Apparently ensembles are available to non-major participation. And there are composers concerts- are they available to non-majors?

There do seem to be more problems when trying to do this combo at a university that has a school of music. On campuses without a school of music, there does seem to be more flexibility and access for non-majors. Again, Tufts, Harvard, Clark U., Vassar, Sarah Lawrence, Amherst, Williams, MacAlaster would be just a few of the examples for that.

Some of those schools are also great for engineering which would seem to be the priority here.

I am sure that the original poster’s son will make all this work and the fact that music was a priority in his search bodes well for some future combination of his talents :slight_smile: Good luck!

Tufts offers an interdisciplinary minor in Music Engineering as well as a minor in Music. For those with an interest in music, the Music Engineering minor can provide a framework for making some of the engineering theory relevant and more fun to learn. (Tufts is big in engineering education research and retention)

http://www.tuftl.tufts.edu/musicengineering/

Cornell has a very strong engineering program and an awesome orchestra. The music groups there perform student compositions so check out Cornell. Additionally, the Vassar orchestra and choral groups and new music ensembles also perform student works. You can major in physics or math at Vassar and then attend grad school for engineering. I agree with comp mom that there is much more flexibility at a school if a college does not have a school of music. However, I attended the University of Hartford/ Hartt School a long, long time ago and they supported my dual degree in music performance and chemistry -they have a respected regional Engineering school there so perhaps they would support a musical comp minor. Also Hartford has an acoustics engineering/music major. You could look into it to see if acoustics with music composition is a possibility.

You should check out the University of Delaware. They have a rock star Engineering department with a vital music department. Many opportunities for non-majors. You should contact the composition professor with your portfolio/scores.

Additionally, you can check out Illinois Tech. We have plenty of engineering classes, and we also have a partnering school right on campus, Vandercook College of Music. As an Illinois Tech student, you have an opportunity to take lessons at Vandercook and/or get a music minor, which consists of 15 credit hours in music theory or practice (it sounds like your son would prefer something more on the theory side).

Definitely reach out to the Illinois Tech Office of Undergraduate Admission if your son is interested! We would be able to go over more of the specific programs with you guys and discuss in detail how your son can study both engineering and music at the same time. Also, our application is rolling admission, meaning that you have until August to apply, so you definitely haven’t missed our deadline!

Cheers,
Illinois Tech Office of Undergraduate Admission