<p>^ Ouch, barrons!</p>
<p>calicartel, feel free to start a new thread with UCLA "cheerleading/spam"...I'd love to see that. ;)</p>
<p>^ Eh... not going to happen. At least not by me. UCLA's more than good enough on its own to withstand poor attempts to one-up it by Cal pushers ;)</p>
<p>i know florida is doing well in basketball, football and its scores are rising, but the volume of out of state and international applications still indicate that they are a southern regional state school. I know people like to say that Michigan, Berkeley, and UVA are state schools, but that's just their status, because they do get 10-20% of their funding from the state for subsidizing instate students in order to boost their economies. Berkeley, Michigan and UVA's academic reputations have long been established, for over 100 years, similar to other elite private status schools. Schools take decades to change. A lot of schools have experienced rising and falling popularity in the past, I do think Florida will continue to improve, but give it some time, acceptance rates, SAT scores are quick fixes, they don't tell the whole story.</p>
<p>Earlier in this thread:</p>
<p>Also, Cornell (and all the Ivies) superscore SAT results, Michigan and Florida do not. </p>
<p>What does this mean?</p>
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superscore SAT results
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<p>Superscore means taking the best scores across multiple test attempts.</p>
<p>Barrons is just pi$$ed because UF has a more selective class than Wisconsin this year. Guess what... Your state is not growing, and your alma mater isn't that far ahead in total endowments. Keep in perspective that Wisconsin dropped 4 spots from last year.</p>
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<p>As far as not being international: UF is currently ranked 17th overall in the United States.</p>
<p>UW moved into #1 in total research, has FAR more top faculty than UF will have in another 20 years and has a total endowment of about $4 Billion as the reported figures do not include WARF and the UW System nearly all of which is owned by UW Madison. Class selectivity is just a relatively minor factor in whether a university is considered a national leader or second tier and the average student enrolled is about the same in stats.
UW is the leading state school in producing corporate CEO's while also producing large numbers of people for the Peace Corps and Teach for America. With about 40% of it's students coming from OOS the size of Wisconsin has less impact than in other similar states. It also helps make the school feel more like a national school.</p>
<p>Edit--UW actually has slightly higher stats for Fall 2007</p>
<p>UW 25/75 SAT/ACT Range V 550-670 M 620-710 ACT 26-30</p>
<p>UF 25/75 SAT/ACT Range V 560-670 M 580-690 ACT 25-29</p>
<p>This shows that Wisconsin only has 1.45 billion:</p>
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<p>Well did you know UF has a 4.3 billion dollar operating budget and produces almost $600 million in research?</p>
<p>UF also has one of the strongest alumni networks in the USA:</p>
<p>List</a> of University of Florida people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<p>We also have over 100 ranked programs:</p>
<p>^ Is that what the Chronicle told you? </p>
<p>UF and FSU will be well protected. The other universities.... Not so much... </p>
<p>What did you register an account to protect your fellow Big 10 School?</p>
<p>Here is more recent data from the COHE
Market value (in thousands)<br>
June 30, 2007 June 30, 2006 One-year
change
U of Wisconsin Fdn $1,645,250 $1,425,750 15.4% </p>
<p>U of Wisconsin $351,914 $303,899 15.8% </p>
<p>In addition WARF has an estimated current endowment in the $1.70 to $1.8 Billion range. It was $1.3 Billion in 2003 and has enjoyed substantial gains in investments and income since then.</p>
<p>Wisconsin</a> Alumni Research Foundation: Information and Much More from Answers.com</p>
<p>Also</p>
<p>Total Voluntary Support Top 20
(As of June 30, 2007, listed in millions) </p>
<p>Public universities are listed in bold; Big Ten universities in CAPS</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford University, $832.3 </li>
<li>Harvard University, $613.9 </li>
<li>University of Southern California, $469.6 </li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University, $430.4 </li>
<li>Columbia University, $423.8 </li>
<li>Cornell University, $406.9 </li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania, $392.4 </li>
<li>Yale University, $391.3 </li>
<li>Duke University, $372.3 </li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles, $364.8 </li>
<li>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, $329.1 </li>
<li>University of Chicago, $328.3 </li>
<li>UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN, $325.3 </li>
<li>University of Washington, $300.2 </li>
<li>UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, $293.4 </li>
<li>UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA, $288.7 </li>
<li>New York University, $287.6 </li>
<li>University of Virginia, $282.6 </li>
<li>INDIANA UNIVERSITY, $278.6 </li>
<li>University of California, San Francisco, $251.9</li>
</ol>
<p>How can you guys claim the entire foundation? How many other Wisconsin schools feed from that same Trough?</p>
<p>Here is a fact....not dubious conjecture or extrapolation of irrelevant data. Among other job functions, I am tasked as a recruitment manager for a major aerospace corporation. We recruit worldwide. If we recruit at your campus, we are likely one of your top 5 employers...maybe the top 1 or 2.</p>
<p>Now....enough of this silly bickering. We have a list of 27 "key schools" which represent the schools we consider the best prospective schools for new graduates. Beyond these 27, we also have a list of about 50 additional schools that we classify as "target" schools. You can think of the key schools as "top-tier", and the target schools as "second tier". </p>
<p>Our internal employment performance metrics span 10s of thousands of employees and over a thousand schools. We have data about what schools produce the best employees. </p>
<p>As it turns out UM, UW, and UF are <em>all</em> key schools, i.e., top-tier. We DO NOT distinguish between any of them in any way. At this level, it comes down to individual students...and all these schools can produce some of the best-prepared students available anywhere.</p>
<p>Feel good about that. There is no reason to bash any of these schools...they are all producing some of the country's best graduates.</p>
<p>Another thing...you come to an interview with an arrogant attitude just because you graduated from some supposedly elite school...well, let me give you a hint about your chances about getting an offer...</p>
<p>It is only for UW Madison. </p>
<p>As to the recruitment comment, I have no problem with that. It's all points on a continum of good schools.</p>
<p>rogracer, your company must not recruit at the the top schools.... just kidding, but I don't think Aerospace/Defense Contracting companies are at the top of the list for students at top schools. Maybe MIT/Stanford, but even then you are not getting the best students, most of the best students go into IB and MC. For most jobs(ie. accounting, teaching, corporate finance, mechanical engineer, nursing, or grad school), it matters very little, you can goto any sizable school, and you'll get recruiters there.</p>
<p>"What's your problem with The Chronicle of Higher Education, SSobick?"</p>
<p>Nothing, it's a great resource to get a general overview. The story you broke hasn't hit yet, and when it does they will just assume the worst. </p>
<p>No matter how this shakes out, things won't be so gloomy for UF & FSU... </p>
<p>Trust me on this....</p>