<p>FSU, USF, and UF all have a ton of potential (together they produce over a $billion in research). Keep in mind UF & FSU will get to not only charge 40% more in tuition, but their is a favorable lawsuit that is likely to allow the administrators to be able to charge however much they desire. Current tuition is only 3k a year, and could possibly be up to 9k a year within the next decade (this could produce a $50 - 100 million a year windfall for both institutions). </p>
<p>The SUNY comparison is a great way of describing how the old system was facilitated. Now that FL's SUS has Research Flagships, it will not only allow more tuition dollars - but the state has also made a commitment to primarily build up the infastructure of these three (so in essence: Florida now has a de-facto UC System). </p>
<p>predicted ranking 2012??? haha umm thats not exactly possible to predict, especially since us news changes their formula every few years. I dont really think you can compare UF, FSU, USF with UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD. Not in my mind anyway. However, i do think this will help the Florida schools raise significantly more money, and possibly provide more resources for their students. This could reflect in a raise in rankings, but predicting exact numbers or how much a school or schools will rise of fall in the rankings is not realistic.</p>
<p>yea predicting the rankings in 2012 is pretty hard to predict.
In 2004 FSU was ranked in the fiftys. Now its in the 100's.... who would have predicted that terrible fall.</p>
<p>"In 2004 FSU was ranked in the fiftys. Now its in the 100's.... who would have predicted that terrible fall."</p>
<p>That's actually not true. It was not until 2002 that they started to rank the 2nd tier (ie: 50 -120). In 2001 FSU was ranked 2nd Tier and was around the 46th best overall public university, whereas today they are ranked around the 51st best public.</p>
<p>With this new infusion of dollars, watch FSU move up to around the 35th overall best public. Also UF will be a top 10 public very shortly as well. Now that Jeb Bush is out of office, watch Florida's universities explode in quality.</p>
<p>I suspect you'll see considerably more movement from FSU than from UF. It becomes substantially harder to move up the higher you go.</p>
<p>btw - JCort is correct about FSU's rank. FSU's drop during that period was most likely due to a revision of US News' rating process and FSU concurrently expanding enrollment, thus worsening certain ratios. Originally I attributed the drop to political assessments, but further study suggests a more population based set of reasons. No dramatic drop occurred. FSU's future rating will likely improve as undergraduate enrollment is reduced - a reverse of the earlier trends.</p>
<p>Definately.... FSU has a lot to work on when it comes to rankings....
FSU should rise in the rankings. its growth rate (in terms of rankings and prestige) will be higher than UF however UF will still increase just as FSU increases and expect UF to still be ranked higher than FSU.</p>
<p>The point Parent was trying to make is that it will be an easier road for FSU to crack into the Top-40 best Public Universities, than it will be for UF to crack into the Top-10 best Public Universities. So in essence the increased revenue will have a profound effect on FSU, and a moderate increase for UF. </p>
<p>Clearly as the University of Miami has found out, there comes a point where everyone in the Top-50 overall are reaching for the brass ring, and it takes luck and determination to grind yourself even just a few spots higher.</p>
<p>I'd guess FSU would rise in the short term into the ranks of the top 40 publics and UF maybe only a point or two among publics. The differential bill funding, while remarkable for Florida universities, still is minimal compared to funding at the best publics. When FSU corrects it's College of Engineering management situation and grows it's new College of Medicine and other graduate STEM factors, as is currently underway in the Pathways of Excellence program, it will go into much higher ranks. These efforts will take some years...no ranking programs are built overnight.</p>
<p>"The point Parent was trying to make is that it will be an easier road for FSU to crack into the Top-40 best Public Universities, than it will be for UF to crack into the Top-10 best Public Universities."</p>
<p>Um, I didn't know there was any doubt that UF will still be ranked higher than FSU? I hope that FSU turns their decline around, and it looks like these changes gives it the proper leverage to do so. </p>
<p>no, theres no doubt that uf will be ranked higher that fsu. we were just stating that fsu will likely move up more spaces than uf because there is much more room for it to rise since it is ranked in the 100's, and uf is somewhat highly ranked already (i believe top 50) with not as much room to move up. but clearly uf will be much higher ranked that fsu.</p>
<p>What if you end up hating the program you intended to go into? It's better to go to the better overall school so that you can have something to fall back on. There's a good chance you will change majors in college.</p>
<p>Well id have to disagree... Individual programs are not always good if the overall ranking is not good. Overall Prestige does matter a great deal.
Overall Prestige will definately help you if you look for Grad School. Also when looking for a job, Overall Prestige matters a lot. Employers do favor students coming from schools with higher prestige. </p>
<p>Again, Individual Rankings matter a lot, but more at the Grad level than at the Undergrad level. I believe that at the Undergrad level, Overall rankings of the school are extremely important. When you approach Grad School you want to look at specific programs as the prestige of the overall school no longer matters as much.</p>
<p>Its very common seeing students graduating from schools that are ranked higher overall then the school they go to for Grad school. Thats because they dont really look into the overall programs anymore. They look at the individual graduate programs prestige.</p>
<p>FIU: I checked the biz school rankings from Business week and looked at the average salaries there..
Apparently FIU does have the highest salaries (at least for biz) but their only $1,000 higher and they dont report the percentage of the student body that reflects that salary. Not all students report their average salaries. FIU dosnt list the percentage of students that reported their salaries. that is a big problem cuz that number might be severely inflated.
Right now:
FIU: $44 K
UM: $43 K
UF: $42 K
FSU $40 K</p>
<p>However in UM, UF and FSU most do report their average salaries (close to 80% at each) while FIU does not say how many report. My guess would be that the real Average salaries are higher at UF, UM and FSU. the numbers displayed by UM, UF and FSu are much more accurate as most students reported their average salaries. At FIU we cant be sure if most reported. it could possibly be that only 30% reported and thus the numbers are severely inflated. </p>
<p>USF... A similar ranked school to FIY has most students reporting their salaries and their average is $38 K. In reality thats where FIU stands..</p>
<p>Usually the kids that have a specific major in mind are determined to master that area. They are not easily swayed.</p>
<p>"Prestige" counts with the top 20 schools that everyone recognizes. Out here in the real world no one cares where you went to school, as long as you do your job competently. Then, if you screw up, it's very likely "X" school will not have graduates hired for a while - if your school somehow figures into your performance or lack thereof.</p>
<p>Of course, my perspective is from someone in the world of work, not looking to enter it.</p>
<p>It also has a great deal to do with connections you make while in school. This is why I think FIU graduates have the highest salaries in Florida. Since the school is located in Miami and many of the students at FIU work in their respective fields while taking classes which gains them experience and helps build connections which benefits them once they graduate. This cannot be done in a small college towns like Gainesville.</p>
<p>"Usually the kids that have a specific major in mind are determined to master that area. They are not easily swayed."</p>
<p>ppl change majors all the time. its not uncommon. Im declaring a specific major but im not really sure ill stick to it... </p>
<p>"nobody really cares where you went to school"
Sure they do... Why do you think grads from some schools have higher starting salaries than grads from other schools. Recruiters do realize and take into account what school you went to.
its not necesarilly individual rankings. FSU and UM is an example. UM has higher starting salaries than FSU (biz grads) even though US News ranks FSU Biz slight better (though biz week ranks the other way around).
However UM has a higher prestige than FSU undergrad and coinsidentally UM grads earn higher starting salaries than FSU grads. </p>
<p>FIU as I said earlier dosnt have the highest salaries. there is only one school where I found FIU to earn more than the rest. Business.. But even in that school, FIU (in reality) does not earn more. They supposedly say FIU grads earn averages of 44 K one thousand more than UM grads. However UM's average is representative of 80% of the student body.
FIU's starting salaries are the averages of a much smaller sample of the whole class. For all we know it could be 30% of their grads. If you were to add up the averages of the rest, FIU grads average starting salaries would compare to USF and UCF (in the High 30's).</p>
<p>FIU still has a long way to go to have the highest average salaries.
They have only rescently cracked the 3rd tier.
I have only looked at the average starting salaries for business. In that category UM has the highest in Florida. Im not sure about the others.</p>