<p>parent2noles,
INSPIRED post. Thank you!</p>
<p>joejimmis,
Community colleges around Florida, for many years, have had partnerships with state universities where adjunct programs are offered in their facilities. I took MBA classes through UCF, at my local community college. I can see very well that system working with a four year degree, and I think it has already been proven over and over. It allows for people who can't spend a fortune, to work (like I did), and attend night classes- the same classes that are offered at universities. </p>
<p>What a concept. I can tell you this. I went undergrad through UNC, and I totally vouch for the quality of instruction and education I received (at night :eek:) from the UCF MBA program. I guess this system isn't broken after all. It's not as <em>prestigious</em> as some, and it isn't something parents can brag about, but it's a good system and it's working.</p>
<p>I guess I'm just proud of my state's university system!!!</p>
<p>What's wrong with making a college education more accessible?</p>
<p>I do think FL makes college available for just about anyone. CCs are plentiful. My S was surprised to find that many of his profs at the local U, especially in math, had degrees from Princeton and the like.</p>
<p>While I do think there are excellent universities other than just the Ivy League, I know FSU strives for an Ivy pedigree in all or most of its faculty or a Top-20 national university at the least.</p>
<p>Is this the best? Not sure here, but the professional academics at FSU like it that way.</p>
<p>If FU and FSU are going to get more selective and the Community colleges turn into 4-year programs (like that will ever happen) how will FSU and FU fill all those seats they need to pay the bills. They won't be able to turn any applicant away.</p>
<p>The Community Colleges are slowly implementing these Bachelors programs (it's not going to happen over night). Also this will mostly hurt the Tier 4 universities in the SUS, and not so much UF & FSU. I believe that we will always have a strong demand for our two flagships, this is due to fact that they have improved so remarkably over the years. In addition we will still have Bright Futures, and we will be reducing undergraduate enrollment, and primarily focusing on Graduate & Professional programs</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that Florida is projected to grow by over 8 million residents by 2030. If immigration become easier then I wouldn't be surprised to see this projection increase.</p>
<p>Somehow I can't see how changing the costs will keep the best students, who are already finding a way to fund an OOS education, instate. To "move up in the rankings" they will have to improve the quality of education relative to the other schools. They will need to prove to the best students that it is worthwhile to stay in Florida. High gpa's are meaningless if they don't reflect excellent, competitive HS courses. It is good to see any state trying to improve its education. Good luck to Florida, any improvements will benefit the students, regardless of rankings.</p>
<p>UF & FSU will be getting almost 30 million a year, this will be used solely for the hiring of new faculty & advisors. This will inevitably provide atleast 500 more faculty positions at both of these institutions. Ultimately this will reduce student to faculty ratios & increase faculty resources. </p>
<p>Besides UF & FSU have nowhere else to go but UP..</p>
<p>wis,
Increasing the cost will improve the quality of education at UF and FSU (so it is planned). Students will be no more likely to go OOS than before, because these students are also the <em>best</em> students and therefore already receive the Florida Brights scholarship. </p>
<p>My younger son had the opportunity to go to UF, UNC, UVa, W&M, and UGa. He chose UF because there will be more money left over for him to go to grad school or med school. Had he chosen to go OOS, we could have done it, but there wouldn't have been anything leftover. He would have had to take out loans for the additional 3 to 5 years of schooling. And here's the real laugh- UF is one of his top picks if he goes to med school!</p>
<p>First, they will rise in the rankings but not a lot and not immediately. Second, a key point in terms of assessing the effect of the tuition increase is that anyone that began with the Florida pre-paid program before July 1 is completely exempt from this change. For those that aren't aware or are not from Florida, a very high number of students have been contributing to their Florida Pre-Paid accounts for several years (Usually from the time the child was just 10). Also, this program isn't only designed for the wealthy because it employs a bracket system. Also Mini, if I'm not mistaken, the schools at the top of the rankings have been relentless in stressing to low income students that their income will not hamper their experience in college because the university would work to assist them. I believe they are calling it financial aid.</p>
<p>Bob Graham has filed suit against the Legislature for tinkering with tuition rates, saying that is the purview of the Board of Governors.</p>
<p>Something to watch until football season gets here. :)</p>
<p>UF provides a high quality educational opportunity for students at a price that won’t leave them in debt for 10 years or more. It continues to attract more than its share of merit scholars. It’s one of the best values out there.</p>
<p>20mil won’t go very far. Average salary is 83k for faculty, not including total compensation (e.g. cost of benefits) nor lots of other costs such as one’s lab, office supplies, travel expenses, start up funds…numerous 10s of the thousands extra. </p>
<p>If we took an extremely conservative number, say the hired only assistant professors, mean is $63k, and pretended say the real extra cost of compensation is another $10k and the cost in terms of research grants/travel/facilities, another $10k…that is at least $83k per new faculty member. </p>
<p>20 mil then buys you what, maybe 240 faculty. </p>
<p>You have 51,000 students at U of Florida and 4000 faculty. So add in 240 faculty and you now you go from 12.75 students per faculty to 12 students per faculty (not the real class ratio but the perspective is the same).</p>
<p>3 year old thread…</p>
<p>Doh! I hate when that happens…</p>