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Tradition–it’s been called that almost since the school was founded as the world’s first collegiate school of business in 1881. Also, the degree acknowledges the large role that social sciences and liberal arts have played in Wharton’s undergraduate curriculum since its founding. For example, until the 1970s, Penn’s Economics, Political Science, and Sociololgy departments were all housed in Wharton, and the undergraduate curriculum still contains a large liberal arts component (up to 43% of a Wharton undergrad’s courses).</p>
<p>I couldn’t care less about US News’s world-university rankings.</p>
<p>All I care about is student selectivity - the true mark of exclusivity, and the one employers, grad schools, and society at large care most about - and in that, Penn unquestionably beats Cornell. Simply see my previous post about top-10 most selective schools.</p>
<p>Is the slight difference in academic quality from 20-year-old rankings going to make the Cornell student’s education better than mine? Nope. Cornell’s sciences, and some humanities, rank higher than Brown, Yale and Dartmouth in most regards. Yet no one would declaim against the quality of education, even in comparison to Cornell, at any of those schools.</p>
<p>So, in my mind, this thread is STILL moot. Sorry. This really isn’t an opinion. I’ve based it in solid fact. If you want, you can debate the merits of selectivity vs. academic quality, but in the end, Penn is, on average, far better in the area that I personally care most about. The more intense of a student environment I live in, the more I thrive and drive myself academically.</p>
<p>It is not always easy to compare selectivity in a meaningful way.
This is especially true for schools such as Penn and Cornell.
Both Penn and Cornell have many components.
For example Penn has Wharton, Engineering, Arts and Sciences, Nursing etc.
Each of these has separate admissions.
The same goes for Cornell which is perhaps even more complicated.
Cornell is a mix of public and private schools.</p>
<p>Although I don’t think that selectivity is the only measure if it is going to be discussed it would make sense to compare selectivity for arts and sciences at Cornell to that of Penn.
The same would be true for engineering etc.</p>
<p>For Wharton I have no idea! Wharton is really unusual. One reason Wharton is popular is that it really is a very good business school at an ivy league school.
There isn’t much competition and so it is a clear choice for many students. Probably the biggest competition for Wharton comes from Arts and Sciences at other leading universities.</p>
<p>As reported in their respective student newspapers, Penn and Cornell had identical SAT scores for this year’s admitted class. It is safe to assume, if one backed out Wharton, Cornell had higher scores. It is also very interesting that Penn, unlike any other school I’m aware of, does not publish the Common Data Set numbers. Penn just doesn’t publish admissions data that virtually ever other school does [including applicants/admits for each of the colleges]. I wonder why.</p>
<p>I reference the May 13 Daily Pennsylvanian and the April 13 Cornell Daily Sun, as support for the SAT scores of the admitted 2014 class. Too bad Penn never provides data for each of their colleges.</p>
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<p>Just to be accurate, all of Cornell is private. Its Contract Colleges have contracts with the state through which they receive funding to fulfill interests of the state, but they remain entirely privately run - similar to the way government contractors operate. On the federal level, MIT and Cornell are the only two private land-grant universities in the country.</p>
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<p>I would argue that India has is right and the rest of the world has a deflated/out of date regard for Penn :)</p>
<p>I stand corrected applejack! Very interesting. </p>
<p>behappy 7, you are correct that Penn does not publish such data. However I think that the same goes for most Universities. Does Cornell publish this data for the Hotel School,
Engineering etc? I should stress that I think that such data is closely held by most universities. If I am mistaken I hope someone corrects me.</p>
<p>^in this case penn is the exception to the rule. Most universities publish the statistics for each college. The data is not a closely held secret by most colleges, and a common criticism of penn prestige whores is that penn doesn’t publish their common data set info ([Common</a> Data Set Initiative](<a href=“http://www.commondataset.org/]Common”>http://www.commondataset.org/)) because they are trying to hide the dirty secret that wharton is really the driving force behind penn.</p>
<p>Thanks Tboonepickens. I am particularly interested in comparing engineering schools.
Can you point me to the scores for
Princeton
Columbia
Brown
Cornell</p>
<p>just for engineering. It was my impression that this data was not released and I am glad to hear that most universities do publish this info. I could not find this info for these schools.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>sorry Tboonepickens. I meant to ask for ranges of SAT scores for these schools
for the engineering applicants.</p>
<p>Cornell institutional research has lots of data, including breakdowns by college. However I’ve not seen data on scores of applicants, as requested. Or scores of admitted students either. Only scores of the entering freshman class. Which indeed are available by college.</p>
<p>You can find the data in its institutional research pages. Also this data has been listed, and pages referred to, many times on CC, you may find them via CC search.</p>
<p>Thanks moneydad. I am aware that there is quite a lot of info posted but I though that Tboonepickens might be aware of where I can find the data requested. </p>
<p>It is actually quite interesting to see what info universities decide to release.
They often give overall SAT score ranges but they seem to refrain from giving
details by schools within the university. Such data are of course known and sometimes
heard by faculty at meetings. They are however to the best of my knowledge not made public. The same seems to hold for early admits. Only the total numbers of early admits and acceptances seem to be given. I don’t think I have ever seen data for men and women given
separately for early admits although you do get this info for the entire class.</p>
<p>However I’m hoping that I am wrong and that someone does have more detailed info.</p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
<p>@muerteapablo, I believe that most people have moved on from the petty squabble and MOST do accept the fact that both Penn and Cornell are two great schools. The link below is just for you, seeing that you cant move on.</p>
<p>Survey of high school seniors by the princeton Reviewon their top dream schools. Top listed schools are listed.</p>
<p>[The</a> Princeton Review, Inc. - Princeton Review’s 2010 “College Hopes & Worries Survey” Reports on 12,000 Students’ & Parents’ Application Experiences & “Dream” Schools](<a href=“http://ir.princetonreview.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=454373]The”>http://ir.princetonreview.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=454373)</p>
<p>"They are however to the best of my knowledge not made public. "
as I indicated, entering freshman SAT scores by college are made public by Cornell, they are in its institutional research pages.</p>
<p>Monydad,
I took a look there and I could not find SAT scores by the college at Cornell. Perhaps I just
could not find it but I did look.</p>
<p>Moneydad, and twocollege, here is the SAT for Cornell Engineering. Its basically among the highest stats among the best engineering programs along with MIT and Caltech.</p>
<p>[SAT</a> Scores for the Top Engineering Schools - Compare SAT Scores for the Top Engineering Schools in the United States](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/top-engineering-sat-scores.htm]SAT”>SAT Scores for Admission to Top Engineering Schools)</p>
<p>Thanks TaeKwonDo</p>
<p>I had seen these a while ago but forgot about them. I just wish they had referenced a page at Cornell. If you also look at Cornell overall you will notice that the engineering score for
reading is higher than for Cornell overall. This is possible of course but it does make you want to have another source and also a source for Arts and Sciences.</p>
<p>Thanks again and perhaps someone has a source directly from Cornell.</p>
<p>You said you wanted engineering. Now you say you want arts & sciences. I don’t know what you really want, but it is all on-line, look up Office of Institutional Research & Planning.</p>
<p>No I want engineering. I could not find in in Office of Institutional Research and Planning.
TaeKwondo kindly showed me a website that claimed the SAT scores but these did not seem reliable to me and hence my comment.</p>