UPenn or Duke?

College Search & Selection
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<p>Duke’s loss.</p>

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<p>Duke by a landslide. </p>

<p>Probably because I’ve visited both UPenn and Duke, and could never imagine myself going to school at UPenn. Just too dirty, crowded, and unsafe for me.</p>

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<p>Wow. Before this thread degenerated, I sent a link to my S because he’s applied to both UPenn and Duke. I’ll have to check and see if he’s looked at this thread yet. If he has not, I’m going to check when this thread went south and tell him he can stop reading when he gets to that point.</p>

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Almost every single one of your claims is false besides the hotter girls and better college town part. </p>

<p>1.) Duke has excellent financial aid and its academic reputation/job placement eclipses UNC’s to such a degree that it is more than worth it to pay an extra $50,000 to attend Duke. </p>

<p>2.) UNC DOES NOT have a better social scene than Duke. At Duke, you can party on campus and do basically whatever you want because the administration never cracks down on students. My friends at UNC can’t even drink casually in their dorms and play music because their RAs will hunt them down and they will get in trouble. Furthermore, the Duke social scene is more integrated and accessible to all students while there exists a large dichotomy between the Greek and non-Greek populations at UNC.</p>

<p>3.) Just because UNC has more Rhodes Scholars than Duke one year, that doesn’t mean the selection committee inherently favors UNC over Duke. In fact, private schools consistently have better advising and support for their students intent on pursuing Rhodes/Marshall/Goldwater/Truman fellowships.</p>

<p>4.) UNC has hotter girls but Duke guys have easy access to them. I’m pretty confident that I could sleep with multiple UNC girls on a weekly basis from here on out if I cared that much. With the extreme gender imbalance at UNC, slaying Tarheel girls is like taking candy from a baby.</p>

<p>5.) Chapel Hill is much more awesome than Durham is but again, Duke students can go to UNC bars/restaurants/clubs whenever they want.</p>

<p>6.) There is no proof whatsoever to suggest that UNC students are happier than Duke students. Duke kids love their school and that’s why our alumni giving can only be matched by Princeton and Dartmouth. What’s UNC’s alumni donations rate again lol? I guess its hard to give back to a school when you have a tough time getting a job after college hahahah.</p>

<p>7.) Duke and UNC both have great athletics programs and the differences are minute. Whatever differences exist don’t impact the experiences of the fans and that’s what really matters at the end.</p>

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How does it feel like to share the honors of being the bottom-dweller in the ACC with NCState this year? The performance of the Tarholes this year is proof that Duke has the better basketball coach. Coach K would never let a Duke team slide to the bottom of the ACC in the manner that Ol’ Roy has allowed UNC to flounder. It’s just embarrassing to call yourselves an elite basketball program and have the kind of miserable year that UNC is having.</p>

<p>Next year, UNC will still be worse than Duke. Harrison Barnes is amazing but I would take a senior Kyle Singler any day.</p>

<p>PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Nolan Smith
SF: Kyle Singler
PF: Miles Plumlee
C: Mason Plumlee</p>

<p>2011 National Champion Duke Blue Devils!!</p>

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<p>Duke tuition: $37,500/year
UNC in-state tuition: $5400/year
Cost difference over 4 years: $128,400</p>

<p>Certainly not worth it in-state unless Duke gives you a huge amount of financial aid. </p>

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<p>Wrong. Every time I go out in Chapel Hill I encounter Duke students fed up with the scene in Durham. You ever hear of a little book called “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell”? The author was a Dukie who spent most of his time in Chapel Hill because he (and almost all Dukies) knew it was a million times better 8 miles down the road. Very few people (probably 10% of people who are knowledgeable about both schools) would say that Duke has a better social scene than Chapel Hill. It just isn’t so. Duke does have a sick LDOC, though. </p>

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<p>UNC has had a virtual monopoly on Rhodes Scholarships in the state of North Carolina for at least a decade. UNC is (or was, last time I checked) tied with UVa for most Rhodes Scholarships produced by public schools. Flies in the face of meangirl’s “people don’t care about UNC outside of NC” argument. </p>

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<p>Yeah, it is easy. Just imagine how fun it would be if you actually went here. </p>

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<p>True-and they do, quite frequently. </p>

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<p>Better sports, a nicer town, a plethora of hot girls usually=happier students.</p>

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<p>Not really. UNC actually has a decent football team, which is huge as far as athletics are concerned. Duke football is and always has been a joke, while UNC has a thriving football scene at the moment. Not to mention basketball, baseball, and soccer. Duke has basketball and lacrosse, and that’s it. </p>

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<p>How did it feel watching us win our 5th NCAA national championship last year? How did it feel losing four games in a row to UNC at home? Or losing 7 of the last 10 that you’ve played against us? How does it feel to be on the bottom end of the rivalry as far as wins, NCAA championships, and the head-to-head goes? Sure, we are having a lousy season, but I’ll trade an NCAA championship one year for an NIT appearance the next gladly. </p>

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<p>First of all, Singler has to actually stay. Second of all, UNC will be ridiculous next year. Singler will probably leave after this year anyways; Duke has shown that it can’t make it out of the Sweet 16 once it starts dealing with refs who actually call fair games</p>

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<p>Maybe one day you’ll learn how it feels to win a title. Trust me, it is awesome.</p>

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<p>Nice selective reading. Unfortunately, that won’t work too well for you when you are a hot-shot attorney and the entirety of the law matters, not just the parts that you find appealing.</p>

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<p>“Without basketball, UNC and Indiana U are nothing.”</p>

<p>wow. I thought you’re the one who always treat other schools with respect!</p>

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<p>The fact that UNC girls tend to be “easy” used to be a little-known secret. Unfortunately, the New York Times picked up on it a little while ago, and now the secret is out. As sad as it is, lesdiablesblues is probably right. </p>

<p>Of course, we’re talking about sweeping generalizations here, which is always difficult.</p>

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<p>It degenerated here:</p>

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<p>Page 2, it didn’t last long. Only like two posts related to the topic after that. This definitely makes UNC and Duke students look petty…although meangirl isn’t a Duke student. But lesdiablesbleus is just ridiculous…</p>

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<p>Let me reiterate that I have great respect for Duke academically. I just abhor people who act as if they are better than everyone else just because they go/went to Duke. And, I’m not a huge Coach K fan, but that comes with the territory. :)</p>

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<p>aww meangirl you’re trying too hard</p>

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<p>For prestige, UPenn. But if you come from the area and you’re going to plan to stay there, Duke. You’ll build up a network close to home. Also, I would imagine that the campus life would be more pleasant there.</p>

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<p>Penn has slitely better professional schools, and slitely better science, engineering, humanities programs</p>

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Duke humanities = Penn humanities*
Duke undergrad engineering = Penn undergraduate engineering**
Duke biology > Penn biology***</p>

<p>Penn is stronger in the physical sciences, but not noticeably so at the undergraduate level. Duke consistently blows Penn out of the water for Goldwater and NSF production,^ so clearly it’s doing something right in the sciences.</p>

<p><em>#10 and #9 in the NRC ranking of humanities, respectively.
*</em>Both #26 in the USNWR undergraduate engineering ranking.
***#12 and #21 in the USNWR biology ranking, respectively.
^Between 1993 and 2008, Duke and Penn produced 205 and 104 NSF award recipients, respectively. Only Princeton (68) and Harvard (67) have produced more Goldwater scholars than Duke (63).</p>

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<p>That’s hilarious that they think Duke is an easy school but Penn is prestigious. Here in the Philly area, getting into Penn is commendable but not REALLY commendable. But if you get into Duke, you’re looked upon as a genius. It’s really funny how that works.</p>

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<p>Penn fasho</p>

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Yeah I was thinking it might be something like that hahahahah. It is funny though.</p>

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I go to East Chapel Hill, it tends to be sort of a pressure cooker school… I’m not sure what you mean by “of note”, but East is at least as competitive as NCSSM – maybe I’m over-estimating, just due to the type of student I hang out with, but it seems like there’s an insane amount of pressure to do well and go to a top tier college. And East kids are smart. We’re almost as proud of that fact as we are ashamed of the fact that our football team is worse than Duke’s and UNC’s combined. Duke is “highly regarded” but not as impressive as an ivy. Or even as impressive as a UChicago/Columbia-ish school.</p>

<p>I also love how this dissolved into a Duke vs. UNC debate; should’ve seen it coming haha. I wouldn’t be so quick to write off Duke and UNC students as “petty” though, the rivalry’s pretty deep (it’s silly, but it’s a lot of fun), but they’re certainly not petty about anything else.</p>

<p>Oh and thanks for all the input! I like that most of your opinions match hahah, makes life easy. However, I hear a LOT about how difficult Duke academics are and how cutthroat things are at Duke, so it seems unlikely, or at least unfortunate that UPenn is worse… I guess a really good school where everyone is also collaborative and non-competitive is just too much to ask haha.</p>

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<p>Hey now, UNC’s football team has been good lately. :)</p>

<p>Seriously though, East Chapel Hill is a great school. Never hear anything bad about it. Do you guys have any rivals as far as high schools are concerned?</p>

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<p>This thread is not about Duke vs. UNC, but rather was a discussion regarding Duke and Penn. Make another thread if you really want to and have fun. This thread was pretty useful until this unnecessary battle brewed.</p>

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<p>If you look at my first post on this thread, I address this point. Duke is unique in that although the students are competitive and ambitious, the environment is pleasantly collaborative. For example, the facilities at Duke foster such a collaborative education.</p>

<p>The Link is an excellent example:</p>

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<p>The Link elicits collaboration simply due to the amazing facilities that are MEANT for group studying. Students want to use the resources… and they use them in groups.</p>

<p>The list goes on and on, but if there’s one thing I always hit home to prospective students, it’s that a collaborative learning environment is one of Duke’s quality features.</p>

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<p>It’s so ridiculous when people pull incorrect information out of no where. Thanks for address this, warblersrule86. I am at fault for not checking the current Pennsylvania-resident stats though haha… I may have mixed it up with Columbia or something.</p>

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<p>Sorry eatsalot; I did read your post (it was really helpful too), that’s why I brought up the topic in the first place – it totally disagrees with everything anyone’s ever told me about Duke haha. Although you’d definitely know better than I do, since you go there. My guess is that there’s probably little bubbles of uber-competitiveness that my friends have managed to find and describe to me lol!</p>

<p>Hahahah Cuse, you’re right, you’re right, I’m just so used to making fun of UNC football, it’s pretty much ingrained in me. It’s so nice of you to say that about East, do you go to a school near here? As for rivals, it varies so much by sport or competition that I can’t keep up with it haha! For most sports it’s Chapel Hill High. Science Olympiad and Science Bowl are rivals with NCSSM (but it’s a friendly rivalry, their teams are so nice, really some of my favorite people ever). It’s also a running joke that Science Bowl JV tries to beat Enloe’s varsity every year, but I don’t think that’s steep enough to count as a rivalry. Speech&Debate is less friendly about it’s Cary Academy/DA rivalry… but our team is dying anyway haha.</p>

<p>Edit:// Oh, I should pay more attention, you already said that you went to UNC. I have no name memory, my bad. That’s exciting, you’re close by! Hahah in your professional opinion, what is there to do for fun around here, besides on-campus parties and Franklin Street?</p>