Upenn vs. NYU - please chip in

<p>I have lived in Greenwich village in the past for a year. I attended cooper union before having transferred out. I have, unfortunately, never had a chance to visit the Upenn campus but I have been to Philly and its freaking gorgeous.</p>

<p>Both are beautiful and unique in their own right. Greenwich village is perfectly safe but the area still has a gothic feel. It isn’t easy to make friends in New York City. People are very reserved in that area. </p>

<p>I have known individuals who lived and studied economics both at Upenn and NYC. The girl that I met that studied at Upenn economics is very smart, beautiful and outgoing. She has gotten a wonderful placement as an investment analyst. Me and her are distant distant cousins and after talking w/ her - she gave me a terrific reputation of UPenn. My brother who is going to attend either Duke or Cornell (we still can't choose) in the very near future didn't apply to UPenn which - after speaking with this girl - I regret. IMO, I wouldn't mind sending my brother to UPenn over duke / Cornell/ and UChicago.</p>

<p>Don't let dulce de leche down, he's P.O.'d because he got deferred ED. Granted, I would be PO'd too, but still...</p>

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It isn’t easy to make friends in New York City. People are very reserved in that area.

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<p>Is this something that those of you that attend NYU would agree with? I'm a transfer applicant and that worries me. I'm actually very outgoing but I hear the same thing so many times and it starts to seem like the common perception.</p>

<p>My LA friend living in NYU says the same thing. People are more reserved.</p>

<p>penn's atmosphere kinda sucks. i visited recently, and people there are kinda icy (so's the weather). Maybe that's why, i dunno. also, penn's campus is more city oriented than all the ivies (Except columbia) and not as much as NYU. still, many city roads run through penn's campus. a lot of things are spread apart (i.e. the dorms from locust walk). penn's atmosphere sucks, but i'd go if it helps you with what you want to do (i.e. business). i think NYU is as good as if not better than Penn CAS, so it's all up to you.</p>

<p>i'll let you handle this instance of ignorant hate-speech, JohnnyK</p>

<p>god bless the first amendment, and the ivy league</p>

<p>i really try to stay away from threads like this, since nothing every gets resolved, but...</p>

<p>I'm frankly shocked that this conversation is even going on. Is there any academic department at NYU that can even hold a candle to it's counterpart at Penn? I'd like to see that info if someone has it, but I doubt it. Stern has always struck me as Wharton's invalid cousin (and this from someone who loathes Wharton with a passion), and the rest of NYU to be essentially a point around which all the people who want to live in new york but aren't good enough for columbia go to congregate. I have never heard a single legitimate argument for attending NYU other than it's location, which the school to its credit milks for all its worth and then some, and feel that the overall reputation of the school is vastly inflated because of where it is.</p>

<p>To the OP:
Should you get in to Penn, I really don't think it's a tough decision to make. As someone who lives in philly and goes to Penn, I understand the pros and cons of living very close to where you go to school, but one of the biggest saving graces of it is that I still get the full college experience of living and going to class on a proper campus. At NYU you would have no such experience, and it would effectively be little different than living at home for you and I feel you run a real risk of stunting your personal growth by not striking out on your own more. I feel that since Penn is a mere two hours away for you and should you be accepted and want to attend, that your parents ought to come around to the idea, given that you would recieve a better education and more of a 'college' experience.</p>

<p>Dulce de Leche - of course Penn has a lot of stuck up kids... they got into Penn and have the right to consider themselves to be better than all the lusers that didn't. What I'm looking forward to is you getting in RD and suddenly praising Penn to the skies 'cause I'm sick of listening to your bitter act - don't you see that it makes you look bad, and not Penn. But you probably won't - the adcoms are surprisingly good at picking up negative vibes like the ones than emanate from you. Stop radiating negative energy and maybe your chances will go up.</p>

<p>takeme2cali got Greenwich Village completely wrong. This is not a matter of opinion - it's statistical fact that it is one of the safest areas of NY (which in turn is nowadays one of the safer big cities). Penn has much more of a traditional campus nowadays (but it's still part of the city - what looks like a campus today was actually once city streets - Woodland Avenue with a trolley line on it used to run right in front of College Hall and the Quad - look at old photos) . But you don't have to go very far west of Penn before you're in a total urban slum with abandoned buildings, drug dealers, murders, etc. While the whole area around NYU is some of the most expensive real estate in the US. That being said, I'd still pick Penn. A Penn degree is much more prestigious than an NYU degree and it's a more fun school to boot.</p>

<p>The statistics don't tell the whole story - it's true the crime rate in Phila is much higher than NY but mostly this is drug dealers fighting with each other, etc. and would not usually affect a Penn student (unless you were in the crossfire). Every once in a while someone crosses the invisible line from the ghetto and robs or kills Penn student but overall your chances of making it out alive are excellent - they have all kinds of cameras and police patrols so mostly it's under control.</p>

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Is there any academic department at NYU that can even hold a candle to it's counterpart at Penn?

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<p>Mathematics, creative writing, philosophy, and anything to do with the arts.</p>

<p>Touche
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<p>takeme2cali- I'm a native new yorker and you have got a very wrong impression of Greenwich village. Is one of the safest areas in NYC. I am SICK and TIRED of people thinking they are better than other's because they got into a damn ivy league school. Judge people by their characters and not by which school they got into. People who get into IVY league schools or any top school for that matter and automatically think they are better than others are A' holes in my book. </p>

<p>My sister went to Columbia University and she also got into UPenn, but she chose NYC. I'm grateful she remained grounded and didn't let it go to her head after graduating with the Highest Honors.</p>

<p>takeme2cali:
And if you supposedly are from New York where everything is classy, why are you still typing with "u" for you and "r" for are?</p>

<p>you really need to get a life and stop commenting on grammar issues. as someone who lives in new york and has attended a private high school on the upper east side for the past four years, believe me when I say that new york is indeed classy. the fact that you would harp on such miniscule details only emphasizes your immaturity. you don't deserve to matriculate at either penn (the school i will personally be attending next year) or nyu (a school located in my beloved NY). kthnxbye.</p>

<p>how about wharton (Upenn) & stern (NYU), which one is better? academically, social status, campus life, safety, expenses etc.....</p>

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i visited recently, and people there are kinda icy (so's the weather).

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<p>My my, what a clever parallel to draw. Surprise that people don't stop and chat much when it's 10 degrees out. Come back in the fall or in the spring or the other 10 months of the year that aren't the nadir of winter.</p>

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a lot of things are spread apart (i.e. the dorms from locust walk).

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<p>The only way make a school more cramped than Penn's campus is to be Columbia or build your school in a single building a la Moscow University (Stalinism is always a great example to be following).</p>

<p>The dorms are 1 block away from Locust (except for the high rises, which are ON Locust). This certainly puts you ahead of NYU which has dorms scattered blocks and blocks away (as my friends who transferred from NYU to Penn can attest)</p>

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i think NYU is as good as if not better than Penn CAS

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<p>Comparing Wharton to Stern always ends in Wharton's favor.</p>

<p>Academically, Wharton owns.</p>

<p>Social status, Wharton owns.</p>

<p>Campus life, Stern doesn't even have a campus</p>

<p>Safety, errrr</p>

<p>Expenses, I think I can safely say Philadelphia is cheaper than NYC...</p>

<p>Although I love NYC, I have to say Philly is a great city and yes, a lot cheaper than living in NYC. </p>

<p>Both universities are good in their own right. Philly has a lot of good schools to choose from. I happen to think Penn State is also very good, it's not UPenn, but you can still get a very good education there.</p>

<p>Penn is much better in terms of financial aid. NYU is pitiful in that sector. Tuition is insanely expensive, and it doesn't even guarantee to meet your financial need as determined by FAFSA.</p>

<p>However, NYU does have the advantage in terms of location, especially if you're majoring in business or the arts. Still, I'd choose Wharton in a heartbeat (already have).</p>

<p>gjanie - Maybe I did get a "wrong impression" of NYU... but nontheless that was the impression I got. Personally, "I am SICK and TIRED" of people like you jumping to conclusions. First of all, who even says I got into an IVY and am now ragging on people who didn't get in? If it were NYU and another not as prestigious school, such as BU, I still wouldn't choose NYU. I am just commenting on my impression of NYU, and since you're into judging people by their characteristics, I'll judge you from your characteristics that you are just another A-hole who is too eager to jump to conclusions about other people when it comes to any differing opinion about something you feel strongly about.</p>

<p>and as for Doms - why don't you rag on tikibu? I'm not the one who brought up the issue of "class." But of course you don't say anything about that since you agree with his/her viewpoint. You call me immature, yet you are the one who's budding your way into a disagreement between tikibu and me, and criticizing me for my rebuttle. To me that's immaturity, and I'm not the one trying to pass off as mature by going around calling others immature. Oh and your comment about me matriculating at Penn or a NY school is very mature indeed as well. I don't know how you got in, as the Penn kids I know are very much sociable people and definitely not hypocritical. But it doesn't matter because when I get into Penn and/or a NY school, I will be sure to avoid you. And I have a great life in all aspects, thank you very much.</p>

<p>And I'd just like to add that people should all lay off of my imput/opinion of NYU. Just because you might all disagree, does not mean my opinion will change, at least not without a second visit, which I don't intend to do anytime soon. I was just providing my personal take on the question the OP asked. Not everyone has to think Greenwich is amazing, there are certainly people who don't like it, and I'm one of them. Excuse me for trying to give my input.</p>

<p>usaully i tend to mind my business in all these little cat fights...but i think takeme2cali has all right to give his opinion about anything...and on anything if it where asked...i mean yes we may dissagree with his opinion but not to the extent it was taken....not in a such a reproachable manner...takeme2cali...i live in the bronx and to me the area i live in is verryyyy safe..but to others it may look dangerous because they are not "natives" of the bronx....so i see where ur coming from...thinkin the village may be dangerous...i personally dont think so..it really isnt....</p>

<p>takeme2cali- the Ivy league comment was not aimed at you, it was aimed at a poast which called loosers to the ppl who do not get into Ivy league schools. If you don't like NYC you are entitled not to like it, but I can see why some ppl from NYC would think you were to quick to judge. </p>

<p>signing off the Ahole :)</p>