<p>My offer for violence still stands</p>
<p>lol okay, sorry I misunderstood you gjanie...</p>
<p>and Blaakfire - thanks for your understanding :)</p>
<p>hands down for me NYU!!! i love that its part of the city and the internship possibilities are awesome. i'm going into business. NYU has a dance team and the buildings are not all different. but my only worry is that nyu gives me no money then if i get into penn i'll go there. and in terms of the campus i like that it has nooo campus most people hate it but i'm not into nice trees on campus i'm more of a walker in a big city. if you visit you really get a sense of what shool you want. anyways when i visited penn it was raining and i hated it plus i would rather do well in NYU then get my grad at Penn</p>
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<p>Doth my ears deceive me? Penn has more dance teams than you can shake a stick at...Swing (Penn Swingers), funk (Strictly Funk), break (Freaks of the Beat), Asian (Penn Pan-Asian), Indian (Dhamaka..or is it Dhakama), modern (Penn Dance), Middle Eastern (Y'alla), Jewish (Yofi)...the list goes on and on.</p>
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- Um. Yes, they very much are different, considering half of them weren't even built by the university, instead merely bought by NYU and repurposed.
- Any school in the United States except for Columbia and Stanford is going to have a wide range of architectural diversity.</p>
<p>what's wrong with Californian Stucco?</p>
<p>stifles laughter</p>
<p>to the OP-</p>
<p>i go to highschool across the street from ground zero in NYC, so I'm pretty close to NYU at all times. I'm in love with Penn though, and I've visited 3 times in the past year. Aside from campus visits, I have relatives in South Jersey and I've been to Philadelphia with them a few times as well. Between the two cities, NY has more to do, the clubs are open till 5 or 6, whereas in Philly its like 2 or something (someone check me on that). As to the crime rate or whatever, the NYU region of NY is about as safe as the Penn region of Philly, and both are very safe. They're both about as green, though Penn is muchhh nicer in the fall and spring. Winter sucks everywhere.</p>
<p>The people are nice no matter where you go to. I don't know what all the hubbub about Penn people being cold was about, but they're not. I've partied with both crowds, and NYU people defffff party harder, but the Penn people are those kind that if they had the chance to, they would. NYU people take it too far, I think. So to end, NYU is more "fun" but Penn is pleasantly social.</p>
<p>Academically, NYU does have better math and arts stuff, but as for Stern vs. Wharton, its Wharton. Overall, the two are even but Penn is inclined towards business and NYU is inclined towards liberal arts, though both will provide excellent liberal arts educations. Campus wise, even though NYU doesn't have a campus to speak of, their dorms are niceeee. Each one has a bathroom, some space to speak of, etc. I can be really specific about the Penn dorms cause I've slept over Kingscourt twice. The second time my host's room was spacious, but the first time it was kind of small. Anyway, the bathrooms in that house were coed, which for me was a little weird but I'm sure its something you would get used to with time. Also, I don't know if its like that at every freshman dorm at Penn, so someone check that.</p>
<p>Finally, money-wise I'd say Penn is a little more helpful, esp. recently. Not because they've gotten more generous, but because NYU is money hungry. They're getting kind of greedy. Friends in my financial situation (household income ~ 100k) got more $ at Penn than at NYU.</p>
<p>penn probably gives you more financial aid :)</p>
<p>this whole business of assigning "New Ivy" Status to schools like NYU degrades the inherent worth of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Hasn't NYU always been comparable to the Ivies? how come people are getting all defensive about their self worth now and turning a serious establishment into a marketing gimmick?</p>
<p>Actually it used to be largely a commuter school. I have family who attended it in the 1970s who can attest to this.</p>
<p>Penn was not nearly as outstanding an institution in the 1970s as it is now, but it was and is leagues ahead of NYU.</p>
<p>On the undergraduate level, Penn is beyond a doubt better than NYU in all ways except, of course, when one considers Tisch. </p>
<p>While NYU may have stronger departments in some aspects, as I have mentioned, Penn has a smaller student body, is more selective, has higher incoming stats, etc. </p>
<p>When one compares the entire universities though (including grad programs), the distinction is not so easy to make as NYU has some amazing grad programs.</p>
<p>after the last 7 years, I'm wary of anything that comes out of a Texan's mouth</p>
<p>jk</p>
<p>lol haha dat was funny</p>
<p>When you compare the two then Upenn is far better then NYU but there are other Universities better than Upenn such as Harvard,Stanford,Yale,Princeton,but if you want to do BBA then Upenn is the best.</p>
<p>i thought they offered a B.S.?</p>
<p>Thats because the CGS offers a BBA, and they want to differentiate between that and a Wharton degree.</p>
<p>mengcheng - i understand completely :)</p>
<p>wharton calls their degree "bachelor of science in economics". other schools, such as Ross, call their degrees "bachelor of business administration" ... either way, it means an undergraduate business degree</p>
<p>In agree with brand_182. NYU's law, mathematics, and philosophy programs are considered better than UPenn's. So it is not as easy to put UPenn "leagues ahead" as some people think.</p>
<p>That's 3 programs (and law isn't by much). Maryland probably has 3 programs that are better than Penn's, but I would never consider it on par with Penn. Penn will always be leagues ahead or UMD.</p>
<p>Venkat89, overall, UPenn is more prestigious in the minds of the American public. In fact, I believe UPenn maybe underrated as a school by some people. </p>
<p>However, my advice to students is consider the programs before the prestige. Further, I would never say any school "will always" be ahead of another. You never know what the future holds and NYU is an emerging school in building a national reputation. Fifteen years ago, NYU would never even be mentioned in the same sentence as UPenn.</p>