<p>Is this true?</p>
<p>Discuss...</p>
<p>No, they have statistics which say that lots of perfect scorers get rejected.</p>
<p>No. a) the student needs to be in good academic condition otherwise (GPA, etc.), and will also probably need at least some form of EC, and b) some colleges may waitlist/reject the student for fear that the student would choose to attend somewhere else.</p>
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<p>Okay…
Do you mean perfect scorers in general or do you mean URM perfect scorers?</p>
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<p>True…
Alright, let me modify my question:</p>
<p>URM + 2400 SAT (36 ACT) + 4.0 GPA + star athlete = Automatic Ivy League Acceptance?</p>
<p>answer: NO</p>
<p>It takes a lot more than scores to get accepted, and URM only get an advantage once they’ve proven that they deserve to go to whatever university just as much as anyone else.</p>
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Oh, I actually didn’t see the URM part (way too late at night). That would certainly increase the odds. I’m sure there have been SOME rejected though.
While there are no guarantees, it’s probably the next best thing. Unless that person personally insulted the school on the essays, I think he could expect an acceptance.
But a disproportionately higher number of “deserving” URMs are accepted compared to “deserving” students from the general pool. Yes, obviously one can’t be severely under-qualified but it often does get people in when they otherwise would have been rejected. (look up the Espenshade, Chang study)</p>
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<p>Haha!
Imagine that…</p>
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<p>My point exactly…
That’s pretty much what I’ve been wondering about all along…</p>
<p>I agree that a larger percentage of deserving URMs get in than deserving students in the general pool (that’s the deffinition of affermative action). My point was simply that they must first prove themselves deserving, and 2400 on the SAT isn’t enough for that.</p>
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<p>I totally agree with you Star*…</p>
<p>But do colleges believe in the same thing? <em>ominous music playing</em></p>
<p>Because ultimately, it is the college (and not the students) who decides who’s in and who’s not.</p>
<p>Really, it’s universities like WUStL that would be the biggest reaches here–they’d waitlist you, most likely, for fear that you’ll go somewhere else. :p</p>
<p>African American or Hispanic URM are not going to be treated too differently from the mainstream at the top
10 colleges. If you are native american (> 1/8) you are in.</p>
<p>WUSTL and TUFTS would probably reject or waitlist said URM.</p>
<p>AT HPMS the SAT score > 2200 is not going to make a difference;
The ECs, awards and essays will be the important factor.</p>
<p>If you want real proof, I’m Black and had a 2370 on my SAT and managed to be rejected at Princeton and MIT. Though I wasn’t a star athlete…</p>
<p>“But a disproportionately higher number of “deserving” URMs are accepted compared to “deserving” students from the general pool. Yes, obviously one can’t be severely under-qualified but it often does get people in when they otherwise would have been rejected. (look up the Espenshade, Chang study)”</p>
<p>If you look at the actual numbers, isn’t there a higher number (not percentage) of students from the general pool accepted than the number of URMs?</p>
<p>To drop the political correctness for a bit, people need to understand that in any one admissions cycle a top school might see zero, one, two, or three URMs with a 2400 SAT/36 ACT. Those scores are incredibly rare in the general population, and for whatever reason, near unheard of for URMs. It would be an extremely significant advantage.</p>
<p>“URM + 2400 SAT (36 ACT) + 4.0 GPA + star athlete = Automatic Ivy League Acceptance?”</p>
<p>Not just Ivy League, but automatic HYPS as well. Once again, people need to understand how rare an applicant like the one described above is. I’m sure there are many years when no such applicant even exists!</p>
<p>Not necessarily. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/377882-how-do-top-scorers-tests-fail-gain-admission-top-schools.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/377882-how-do-top-scorers-tests-fail-gain-admission-top-schools.html</a> </p>
<p>But the situation described in the thread title is a very rare situation.</p>
<p>depends, if they were black i would say quite probably but ONLY if their rank and gpa were top notch as well.</p>
<p>I don’t believe there have been any perfect (non-super) black SAT or ACT scorers in the past few years, but that may be different last year.</p>
<p>There are no guarantees in life. Except death.</p>
<p>Kicharo, did you read my post? Even though I didn’t score the 2400, I’d say from an admissions perspective there’s no difference from a 2370.</p>
<p>“Kicharo, did you read my post? Even though I didn’t score the 2400, I’d say from an admissions perspective there’s no difference from a 2370.”</p>
<p>I said that a 2400+URM was a huge advantage, not an automatic in.</p>
<p>I said that the situation of 2400+URM+4.0+star athlete was an automatic in. Were you all of those things as well?</p>