URM Chances

<p>I have a few friends in the modelling industry. When you get here, I can hook you up filmy, if that IS your real name. There are better and more luxurious places to live in Los Angeles than Rodeo Drive and Beverly Hills!</p>

<p>But my dad actually just needed to have a colonoscopy, but everything turned out ok. I just had to wake up super early though, and that sucks. Tonight I have to take my grandma to the airport.</p>

<p>DR:
It actually did make sense. We should judge people based on what's inside, not on what is outside.</p>

<p>I am black HS senior. My SATs are well above average(1480 750/690/720) and I live in one of the worst parts of Philly, West Philly. Yes, I was accepted ED to Penn but I think AA still helped me in the long run. My ECs suck and I have no hook. I attend the best HS in the city and probably the state, St. Joesph's Prep where the avg. SAT is 1310. My tuition is 13000 a year but do to my intelluctual abilities my parents pay 2000 a year. But when it boils down it comes down on how you were raise and the enviroment you reside in. My Bf, who attends an inner city HS, was accepted ED to Princeton and he got a 1150. When I took PSATs in frosh yr, I got a 980 I worked my ass off cause I knew I wanted to attend a prestigious school, Wharton, and that's where I'm going this fall. </p>

<p>Davidrune
- you r a disgrace to the AA community because ur skin color DOES affect your test results. Think about it. Who designed the SATs? white people Who does the best on the SATs? white people. the test is very bias to minorities. Vive toujours AA and shut the **** up. Those wp got you all ****ed up. BTW, Did you know that only 172 blks scored above a 1400 last year out like millions of test takers. Now tell me AA doesnt work. </p>

<p>If u want to debate at any time my sn is phillyfinest791</p>

<p>"EiChief, I am pretty offended by ur statements. What you're saying is that black people can't do as well on SATs because of what? If you said poor people can't do well on SATs because they don't have the same quality of education, then I would agree with you." -drune</p>

<p>I have in no way said that one's race is the direct determinant of standardized testing scores. I'm simply reffering to the systems of discrimination that exist in most every institution in this country. The majority of black/latino/native american kids in this country never get anywhere near the kind of education that the majority of white children receive.</p>

<p>Okay, I skipped over pages 3-6 of this thread because I assumed they'd be redundant, so I might be repeating something. I think one problem that colleges are having is that applicants are lying or playing the race "card" even if they really shouldn't. I know people who are 1/4 or 1/8 black or hispanic, and they are checking the biracial box on their applications. If you saw them, you would have no clue that they weren't completely white. They have obviously had the same quality of life as any white person has, without discrimination or prejudice. Their parents make more money than the majority of white students in my school. And yet, they are given preference, because there is no way for the adcoms to know exactly how black or how hispanic they are. To me, that is the main problem with AA. People lie and people cheat the system. Yes, they are bad people, but as long as there is a system, people will be cheating it.</p>

<p>"I am black HS senior. My SATs are well above average(1480 750/690/720) and I live in one of the worst parts of Philly, West Philly. Yes, I was accepted ED to Penn but I think AA still helped me in the long run. My ECs suck and I have no hook"
First of all, how can you say that "it helped you in the long run." We got accepted a month ago ... maybe less. Your stats are not horrible by a long shot, there are plenty of people who get accepted to top schools like HYPPSM with scores like yours. Also, your hook was that you lived in Philly!!! (not that everyone needs a hook!!!). I promise you that there are white students with your stats that got accepted as well.</p>

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you r a disgrace to the AA community because ur skin color DOES affect your test results. Think about it. Who designed the SATs? white people Who does the best on the SATs? white people. the test is very bias to minorities.

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OH, well I guess that just PROVES that the SATs are culturally biased.
Perhaps you should tell that to Black students in Barbados. For, you see:</p>

<p>Journalist David Beard, writing for the Sun-Sentinel, South Florida, noted that a Barbadian SAT score of 1345 was "about average for the students of secondary schools in this Caribbean nation." The teachers in Barbados earn less money than teir U.S. counterparts. A substantial number, over 50%, of the students come from single parent households. Yet, said former Boston University chancellor John Silber, "They defy all of the expectations and all of the cliches passed off as excuses for the poor quality of primary and secondary education in the United States."</p>

<p>Why do black students in Barbados perform so well on the "culturally biased" SAt? And, if the SAT is "culturally biased," wouldn't the test handicap students from the "Barbadian culture" more than students from the "black American experience"? An educator working for a pre-university school in Barbados said, "The parents expect kids to do well. Barbados parents as a whole hold education to be Number One."</p>

<p>Oh, and IF what you say is true -- that white men dominate the SAT (which it isn't) -- then the black people, who, according to you, think differently than white people, are going to have to learn how to think like the racists that all of us White people are.</p>

<p>"Did you know that only 172 blks scored above a 1400 last year out like millions of test takers. Now tell me AA doesnt work."
The fact that you would believe a statistic like that appals me. But still, why would you want to propell those people who cannot perform well on the SAts into a place where they cannot thrive? It just doesn't make any sense.</p>

<p>The reason I believe it is because it was published by NEw York Times</p>

<p>mm i just wanted to comment on an earlier post...
i don't think it's the white kids that do the best on the SATs. call me crazy, but i think it's the asian kids. i think their scores school any other ethinicity, and if, as you pointed out, the SATs were designed by white people thus causing whites to perform the best, you wonder why almost every asian applicant has kickass scores. interesting cultural bias in that test, i tell ya</p>

<p>I skipped all of the angry posts. To the OP, it is difficult to say what your chances are as it may well depend on your highschool, and what schools it gets kids in. You are on the brink of entry but not quite there based on the info I can cull from my son's prep school's College Book. URMs with SAT1 scores in the mid 1300s have been admitted to Penn with the type of courses you are taking with good grades. </p>

<p>Interestingly enough there are some athletes, non URMs who have been admitted to Penn with 1100 range SAT1s and much lower grades. I wonder if that causes any uproars.</p>

<p>Bball, then you need your eyes checked. But, still, I have reason to doubt your statistic and anyone with a brain does too!</p>

<p>modelling in la is lame panda, everyone knows that they ship out all the decent models to nyc. ill just be living and shopping in la, but sadly, by then youll be freezing in philly. oh what a world.</p>

<p>bumppppppppppppp</p>

<p>High noon for affirmative action </p>

<p>Jewish World Review Dec. 7, 2000/ 11 Kislev, 5761
Larry Elder </p>

<p><a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jewishworldreview.com&lt;/a> -- THE HEADLINE announced the latest disaster: "State Justices Deal New Setback to Affirmative Action." </p>

<p>In California, voters passed Proposition 209, a ballot initiative to end race- and gender-based preferences in the areas of government contracting, hiring, and admissions into state colleges and universities. Last week, the California Supreme Court applied 209 and unanimously struck down the so-called "outreach" program of San Jose. The city required contractors to demonstrate an attempt to recruit and use female- and minority-owned subcontractors.</p>

<p>Justice Janice Rogers Brown, an appointee by a Republican governor, wrote, "A participation goal differs from a quota or set-aside only in degree. By whatever label, it remains 'a line drawn on the basis of race and ethnic status' as well as sex." For what it's worth, Justice Brown is black. Like Clarence Thomas, she, too, received no support from the black bar. And a State Bar Association committee determined her "unqualified," despite possessing more experience than former California Chief Justice Rose Byrd, appointed by Jerry Brown. For that matter, she possesses more experience than did Chief Justice Earl Warren, the former California Governor. No State Bar committee found either Byrd or Warren unqualified. But we digress. Don't affirmative action proponents get it? The fat lady is singing. The moral, constitutional and tactical argument for affirmative action remains bankrupt. Discrimination to fight discrimination remains discrimination.</p>

<p>Slavery ended nearly 150 years ago. This wrong cannot be righted. For all a state can be is just in its own time.</p>

<p>Affirmative action makes this statement: Because your ancestors experienced slavery, you deserve compensation. But whose ancestors didn't experience discrimination or abusive treatment? </p>

<p>Doesn't this historical unfairness justify programs like affirmative action? No. As Booker T. Washington said, in 1901, a mere 35 years after emancipation, "When a Negro girl learns to cook, to wash dishes, to sew, to write a book, or a Negro boy learns to groom horses, or to grow sweet potatoes, or to produce butter, or to build a house, or to be able to practise (sic) medicine, as well or better than some one else, they will be rewarded regardless of race or colour (sic). In the long run, the world is going to have the best, and any difference in race, religion, or previous history will not long keep the world from what it wants."</p>

<p>Just how bad is it for blacks in America? While parents complain about under-performing inner city schools, Asian kids attending these same schools out-perform whites on standardized tests! Many Asian families send their children to "cram" schools, where they get additional education, after school and on weekends. Midtown Los Angeles Korean newspapers publish not only the colleges Korean high school grads plan to attend, but their SAT scores as well.</p>

<p>Johnnie Cochran tells us, "Race plays a part of everything in America." Yet, through his hard work and talent, he became one of the nation's most prominent defense attorneys. Former California Speaker Willie Brown, a black man who held this powerful position for 15 years, once defended affirmative action by telling white newspaper writers, "You owe me." Yet, this son of a sharecropper, through talent, hard work, and ambition, wielded power for some 15 years as perhaps California's most powerful political leader.</p>

<p>How bad is it? A Time/CNN poll found that, among black teens, 89 percent found little or no racism in their own lives. If things are so bad, why does the white suicide rate exceed that of blacks? Why, according to a study by the American Association of University Women, do black boys register higher on self-esteem tests than do white boys? Why, according to an article in Psychology Today, do black girls show more confidence in their bodies than do white girls, a group obsessed by the impossible-to-emulate Barbie doll physique?</p>

<p>In 1963, the black monthly magazine Ebony asked prominent blacks to offer advice to young people. Union leader A. Philip Randolph, who founded the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, offered this: "Negro youth must offer the future the same things that white youth offer, and they must have the faith that there is no basic racial difference in potential for achievement -- moral, intellectual, or spiritual. The future holds great opportunity for those who are prepared to meet and face the challenge of this age of science, technology, and industrialism, and social, economic, and political change." </p>

<p>Funny, Randolph failed to mention affirmative action.</p>

<p>So, to the condescending, but well-intentioned, affirmative-action-supporting whites, know this. Drop the guilt. For you have about as much in common with a Southern, 1950s segregationist as Colin Powell has with Al Sharpton. It is now the year 2000. Let's move on. </p>

<p>JWR contributor Larry Elder is the author of the newly released, The Ten Things You Can't Say in America. (Proceeds from sales help fund JWR) Let him know what you think of his column by clicking here. </p>

<p>Larry Elder Archives</p>

<p>philly winters are gross but philly kids are freakin awesome.
PENN KIDS DOMINATE</p>

<p>not too umm steal someone else's words or nething...</p>

<p>Someone asked why "schooling should be fair."</p>

<p>Mainly because we try to promise "equal opportunity" to succeed in this country. Increasingly, due to the loss of the manufacturing base, opportunity is not present to every American by just exerting effort. Now, because of the necessity of education, and the fact that people are born into better educational situations (parents that can pay for nursery school, music lessons, tutoring, SAT prep, private schools, etc.), you have to correct for that advantage.</p>

<p>well said Yale...</p>

<p>filmy, i think the models i know are too young to be shipped off to NYC (i'm guessing). my one friend is a year younger than you (she just signed with ford modeling agency) and my second to last girlfriend i think is going to quit soon because she doesn't want to do it later in life. my girlfriend in 8-9th grade is also with ford.</p>

<p>but are you planning on going to USC or UCLA?</p>

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Mainly because we try to promise "equal opportunity" to succeed in this country. Increasingly, due to the loss of the manufacturing base, opportunity is not present to every American by just exerting effort. Now, because of the necessity of education, and the fact that people are born into better educational situations (parents that can pay for nursery school, music lessons, tutoring, SAT prep, private schools, etc.), you have to correct for that advantage.

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Ok. Great. This doesn't support Affirmative Action at all, especially in light of the fact that Affirmative Action has been shown to hurt blacks and help white women (not I know why filmy support(s)(ed) it -- she's a greedy model!). What you should be supporting are programs that aid poor youth (are you insinuating that blacks have a monopoly on being poor?) to learn those things that you listed so they can compete, not programs that boost them up so they can fall harder.</p>

<p>bumppppppppppppp</p>

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<p>192 black kids got above a 1450 sat last year, so all the haters who wouldn't believe such a stat- there you go</p>

<p>All of you misuse statistics. The only argument that has shone through is that black people are dumber than white people. A smart black person is an exception. Whether rich or poor... therefore, the best way to help black people is to give them a boost. That way we can have diversity within schools. Well at least diversity of colour of skin and intelligence, because that's what schools need.</p>

<p>Right?</p>

<p>I believe he said "out of the millions of test takers" sraj. I wonder how many black people took the SATs. I also wonder how many white people got that high of a score as a percentage of how many of them scored that high. I'd also like to see the income breakdown of those African Americans.</p>