<p>Yale ED acceptance thread...one example</p>
<p>Let's not turn this into an afirmative action debate. But to Trackbabi, i guess it depends on each person's individual experience. I agree though that many minorities need help getting them ahead at times.</p>
<p>Yea and you know the Yale ED acceptance thread is sooo valid and has the stats of everyone accepted.</p>
<p>urm 4 life!</p>
<p>Alright, whats the reason for putting race on the application?</p>
<p>Statistical data, maybe? You know some schools ask for religion too.</p>
<p>That's exactly my point. They want to publish certain statistics. The whole section should be eliminated.</p>
<p>Halopeno, there is stastical data. Princeton Univ did a study on AA, and found that in UCB Law school, there was 80% odd drop in accptance rate of Black students (14 students were accepted)...and the same study goes on to conclude that AA gives a big tip to minority applicants.</p>
<p>(I posted te link to it a few weeks back in another Minority debate here...too lazy to search for it again).</p>
<p>"gives a big tip to minority applicants"</p>
<p>Could you explain that further please?</p>
<p>I meant Under represented minorities.</p>
<p>That is what I have a problem with URM status getting special priority with adcoms.</p>
<p>I think that most people are forgetting what URM stands for.
It means Underepresented minority.</p>
<p>This means that colleges are trying to recruit students of ethnic and racial groups that have been historically disadvantaged. Think beyond college. Many of the professional careers are lacking in diversity. The only way to create diversity in these areas are by ensuring that minority students are getting into college; particulary top colleges. </p>
<p>Generally minorities live in more urban areas, areas that poorer and do not have access to top schools, interships, extra-curricular activites and other such opportunities. This is just the nature of our country. I understand that all minority students are not subjected to these conditions but the reality is that many are. In order to have more productive businesses and industries ther needs to be more diversity in the professional careers.</p>
<p>This is way colleges accept minorities with lower statistics and this is why they take care in recruiting students and making sure that they have guidance and the beginning and sometimes throughout their college experience. </p>
<p>I am not saying that this is the correct way to solve diversity problems in the workplace but understand that affirmitive action and other programs are attempts correct historical injustices. </p>
<p>It was not more than 50 years ago that the civil rights movement occured and it there is much more room for improvement.</p>
<p>Economic condition, and not Ethnicity should decide how much of a tip u get. Then again, we're not in utopia.</p>
<p>I'm sorry I am still not seeing where you guys are getting this idea that minorities get into colleges mostly based on their race.</p>
<p>Trackbabi,
None of said URMs get into college based on race. Nor are we saying ALL URMs get in because of their race. But, its definitely serves as a tip factor.</p>
<p>Colleges now are need blind, they should also be race blind</p>
<p>If all things were equal halopeno2</p>
<p>but they are certaintly not.</p>
<p>*Some times I disapprove of affirmitive action and other times I beleive it helps.</p>
<p>I agree with halopeno2's earlier comment that the race/religion section should be entirely eliminated from the application. Whether intentionally or not, an admissions counselor might be influenced in their decision after viewing the applicant's ethnicity or religion. I feel that everyone, regardless of race or religious background, should have an equal opportunity to get into college. Thus, eliminating the requirement for students to give their ethnicity and denomination will give all applicants the most fair and equal chance for admission.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that in our current state socioeconomic standing is much more important than minority standing and should be used as such. A urm could be from a wealthy place and go to a great school and be given an advantage just because of their color over a poor white person. I believe that it is economic standing that should be considered, because they therefore have less opportunities and are in a worse environment for learning because of their economic status. I do agree that the past was wrong in discrimination, but AA seems to be another form of discrimination that is both solving problems of the past and creating problems during the present. Just my 2 cents (no insults to anyone of URM status, becuase there are MANY URM's who easily qualify for top schools and I would never ever ever be discriminatory in any way)</p>
<p>Ok ,so no one read my previous post....or was my point unclear?</p>