US News 2007 Rankings Leaked: UCLA 24th

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<p>sansai,</p>

<p>Couple of stylistic notes: </p>

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<li> You've told us all multiple times that you're Japanese, you've lived in many countries, and so forth. We get it.</li>
<li> 18-year-olds aren't really "ladies." They're women. Lady is a bit pretentious at your age.</li>
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<p>Anyway, now that those are out of the way...</p>

<p>I'm a UCLA grad and quite possibly one of its largest proponents. I love UCLA more than anyone I know. However, I must recognize the fact that there are many other schools that are perhaps better undergraduate experiences. While Brown and Dartmouth may not be world-famous like UCLA, they probably provide their undergrads with better tools and connections for the long-term. </p>

<p>Just because Tanaka-san in Ikebukuro has never heard of ブラウン大学 doesn't make it a worse school in reality than UCLA. Similarly, I doubt most Americans have heard of Waseda or Keio, but that doesn't mean that they're not excellent schools in their own right.</p>

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<p>"Lady" is pretentious at any age.</p>

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<p>I was deliberately understating it...I guess it kinda doesn't work online.</p>

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<p>Let's place this thread on hiatus until Aug. 18. Right now, there's a slew of messages in College Search & Selection declaring these rankings an outright hoax, since the universities that are tied aren't being listed alphabetically, like they usually are in US News. :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>UCLAri: the lady was talking about name-recognition, and I agree with her. In India schools like Harvard, Cal, UCLA is better known than Emory, Brown, Duke (I doubt these schools would be even recognized there). My dad pretty much told me to go to UCLA and not UCI because "people know about UCLA there"...HA!</p>

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<p>US News has clearly not figured out a way to rank public schools and schools that have a higher student teacher ratio than smaller Universities. IMO Emory should NOT be ranked equivalent to Berkeley. Berkely is an academic power house and definitely deserves a higher ranking but because of their ratios they get ranked lower and the smaller schools get the advantage.</p>

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<p>USNews rankings don't make any sense outside of the top few schools, so the slighting of publics isn't that big a deal (not that the rankings of the top few schools make a lot of sense). Of course Berkeley should be higher than Emory. It isn't ever going to happen within their particular system.</p>

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<p>people in other countries know of the colleges with excellent graduate programs and top-notch professors. that's why it looks ridiculous to them when berkeley (top 5 in the world for sure, any maybe higher in asia) gets ranked near #20 in an UNDERGRAD ranking. </p>

<p>UCLAri,
does -san mean "mr."? j/w</p>

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<p>kfc4u: san can be used for any gender...but more formally..i.e. not family members</p>

<p>chan - same age kids, informal usually males</p>

<p>kun for kids....</p>

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<p>"I like the UCs, especially UCLA, but saying that Berkeley belongs ABOVE schools like Brown, Cornell, Duke? Cmon now."</p>

<p><a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ranking.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ranking.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I thought that this ranking would be interesting to see. keep in mind that the University that did this ranking is heavily a science based school (equiv. to our Caltech). Therefore, they place emphasis on citations in magazines like "Nature and Science" and awards such as the Field's Medal. They still place a lot of emphasis on the humanities too-just check the methodology section (it's pretty straightforward). Anyway, this is China's Newsweek and World Report, so people there believe just as strongly in it as we do ours.</p>

<p>i dunno make what you want of it, but I think it has some merit when you're looking at research universities in the West, since i doubt Peking University is going to be cited in America's "Nature and Science," if all its research is published in chinese.</p>

<p>And yea, China definitely holds Berkeley in high esteem.</p>

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<p>^ Those rankings are stupid. They only seem to focus on science and they consider the quality of education to be determined by the number of nobel prize and field medal winners.</p>

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<p>Citan,</p>

<p>Sorta... Kun is used with adults as well, but less often with females. I used to hear it thrown around my office once in a while as a term of endearment.</p>

<p>Chan gets thrown around A LOT these days by women trying to be cute. Hell, I had a teacher that used to call me "Ari-chan" at Tsukuba. I kinda liked it...</p>

<p>And san does get used with family members. Like "okaasan" or cousins you aren't really close to. </p>

<p>And lady...ugh. Even you can agree that it's pretentious.</p>

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<p>-kun (m) and -chan (f) are not equivalents? -san shows respect right? Same with -sama?</p>

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<p>Emmeline,</p>

<p>Not necessarily, no. Kun, while used more frequently with males, is increasingly finding use with females. Chan, as far as adults are concerned, is almost completely limited to females. But I heard little boys be referred to as chan, as well as adult males in an endearing way. It's much "cuter" than say kun.</p>

<p>San is kind of a baseline, but is more respectful than chan and kun. Sama is more respectful than san, of course.</p>

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<p>I c....I don't know japanese at all...just some stuff I picked up from all the por...err...animes I watch</p>

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<p>126230:</p>

<p>The sjt rankings are stupid, but no more so than USNews. Awards and citations are at least somewhat related to faculty quality. USNews' primary objective indicator of academic quality, according to their own FAQ, is retention rate. What?</p>

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<p>"Ari ga arimasu." :rolleyes:</p>

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posted by: UCLAri </p>

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<li>You've told us all multiple times that you're Japanese, you've lived in many countries, and so forth. We get it.</li>
<li>18-year-olds aren't really "ladies." They're women. Lady is a bit pretentious at your age.

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I HOPE I did not offend you when I committed that error. I'm a complete stranger here so I thought there was a need for me to provide my background so people would know WHAT and WHERE I am basing my views and opinions from. And about that lady thing... in Asia, or at least as what is prevalently used in Asia, 18 years old is called LADY. Pardon the language barrier then. </li>
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Anyway, now that those are out of the way...

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I'm glad you went back to your senses. Nothing is more important in this thread than to focus the discussion (within the topic). I am NOT the topic, the US News ranking is. Sorry, but I do not know how to say it to you in a milder way. I hope I did not offend you again. </p>

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I'm a UCLA grad and quite possibly one of its largest proponents. I love UCLA more than anyone I know. However, I must recognize the fact that there are many other schools that are perhaps better undergraduate experiences. While Brown and Dartmouth may not be world-famous like UCLA, they probably provide their undergrads with better tools and connections for the long-term.

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So, are you saying then that experiences and connections must weigh heavily than academic resources, faculty caliber, research output, recognition based on contribution to the world, etc, etc...???</p>

<p>You said you earned your degree at UCLA. Didn't you make connections whilst there? Didn't you have a nice and wonderful experience whilst there? (If you did not, then don't blame the school for it.) And if indeed you really did not, should that pull down the general quality of the faculty, or should we neglect the research output and/or the contributions of the school which the world is enjoying now, etc..etc...??? </p>

<p>As a complete onlooker (not a US born) of the US university/education system, I am only basing what's being fed to me. Asia would NOT have known Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan if they're just so-so schools. I think these 3 unis have earned their reputation in Asia fare and square and that’s through their great research output as demonstrated by their graduates and faculty. </p>

<p>I figured you are somewhat a successful man. Do you think your life now would have been a lot better if you attended Duke or Dartmouth instead of UCLA????? </p>

<p>AGAIN, I think that this US News ranking game is pro private and is deceiving. Berkeley is just ranked 18th and, both UCLA and Michigan are just 25th???? come on.</p>

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<p>sansai,</p>

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And about that lady thing... in Asia, or at least as what is prevalently used in Asia, 18 years old is called LADY.

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<p>I for one know that the word used for "woman" in Mandarin is very different from the one used in Japanese. Both in context and translation into English. It's not fair to the languages to really generalize like that.</p>

<p>But anyway...using lady in the context you used it in is kinda like saying, 私は淑女です。　It's a bit odd and kinda pretentious, even in nihongo...</p>

<p>Anyway...</p>

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So, are you saying then that experiences and connections must weigh heavily than academic resources, faculty caliber, research output, recognition based on contribution to the world, etc, etc...???

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<p>What difference do nobelists in chemistry make for me as a poli sci student? UCLA's scientific achievements are great and many, but does this necessarily mean that I'm going to have a better experience as a student? Will it make my classes better? My professors better?</p>

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Didn't you make connections whilst there? Didn't you have a nice and wonderful experience whilst there? (If you did not, then don't blame the school for it.)

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<p>I enjoyed UCLA a lot, thank you. But that doesn't mean that I can't recognize the value of the programs at many other schools as offering undergrads potentially better experiences.</p>

<p>Besides, why can't I blame UCLA for its own shortcomings?</p>

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Asia would NOT have known Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan if they're just so-so schools.

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<p>Asia has a fascination with the sciences, engineering, and research output. These are things that the three aforementioned schools excel at. However, keep a few things in mind here:</p>

<p>-- research does not necessarily equate to better teaching or undergraduate resources
-- UCLA itself recognizes the fact that much of its name recognition abroad comes from brand recognition
-- many Asians are relatively unaware of the many great LACs in the US, which are comparatively better at getting their graduates into top graduate programs</p>

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I think these 3 unis have earned their reputation in Asia fare and square and that’s through their great research output as demonstrated by their graduates and faculty.

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<p>Again, don't conflate research output with great undergraduate teaching or resources.</p>

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erkeley is just ranked 18th and, both UCLA and Michigan are just 25th???? come on.

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<p>Who, in all fairness, would you move out of the way then?</p>

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"Ari ga arimasu."

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<p>You have an ant? :-?</p>