“For Berkeley, 75.5% graduate in 4”
Wow, @KTJordan78 thank you for typing that. That is quite low and a surprise.
““For Berkeley, 75.5% graduate in 4”
Wow, @KTJordan78 thank you for typing that. That is quite low and a surprise.”
Not really. Schools with a high percentage of students enrolled in Engineering often have a bit lower 4 year graduation rate.
I think there are a lot of reasons for kids not graduating in 4 years like costs and working while attending college so 75% graduation rates in 4 years doesn’t surprise me at all. By the way it’s the exact same graduation rate as University of Michigan. I would think that public universities would be lower than top privates for a variety of reasons.
It’s interesting to me that Elon has jumped from being a regional school to being ranked #84 in the national rankings category. How does that happen and does that indicate a big jump in their prestige?
Four-year graduation rates can be compared across schools of various types through a U.S. News site:
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/highest-grad-rate
A somewhat deeper dive into graduate rates at UCLA:
https://www.apb.ucla.edu/campus-statistics/graduation-ttd shows UCLA’s average time to degree for frosh and junior transfers, as well as graduation rates.
Looks like frosh who graduated in 2017-2018 had an average time to degree of 12.38 quarters in the graph. The text above does say that the average number of registered quarters was 11.9, so the slightly higher number presumably includes gap quarters and co-ops.
Georgetown gets hurt a bit by its medical school being associated with a university hospital. It’s a drag on the endowment and effects the perceived spending per student.
Also there is zero weighting to the selectivity of admissions pools. No way is harder to get into any public as an instate student than the average GTown admit.
On a lighter note. Whoo hoo for The University of Massachusetts Amherst Minutemen. Number 64 overall and number 24 national public university. They were the number 52 public uni just five years ago. That’s a steady climb.
Nano sciences- AI top 5 and CS/Engineering powerhouse. 250mm in research money this year. Spending that money on new facilities and also being number one in campus dining doesn’t hurt either.
Try and compete with the Mass private schools in general as a public uni is tough. Most state flagships would also have a hard time exciting the local star kids too. They’re doing a great job.
Avg admit this year 3.9 gpa and 1300 sat. Pretty solid.
Hey we aren’t a UC or UMich UVA UF UNC overall yet. But a great option for many super talented kids.
That’s a set of bad and ignorant assumptions. My kid will graduate in 3 years and he’s nowhere close to Regents. With proper planning and/or enough patience, all students will get 95% of their classes that they want. Sometimes you get screwed as an incoming freshman with some classes but that’s mainly the extent of not getting classes. The people who don’t get classes after that are the people who don’t plan properly. The discussion and/or lab sections are all small sections of less than 40 people. The lectures can be big with upwards to 2000 people (that’s right, 2000) but with technology now almost all the big lectures are webcasted, so attendance is minimal. Now maybe watching a lecture on a computer is not the normal college experience, but similarly so is reading a book on an iPad. Times change.
My neighbor across the street here in NorCal is attending UMass-Amherst, Class of 2022.
And looking at our local public HS grad stats, 0 students enrolled at UMass-Amherst in 2015, 2016, 2017 and, lo and behold, two (2) kids enrolled in UMass-Amherst in 2018.
We’re bringing up the stats for ya! 
Thanks @sushiritto !!
I think it’s getting noticed for the pioneering work and reputation for AI with some tech focused groups of students.
@Joblue: U.S. News follows the Carnegie Classification when placing schools in categories.
@Joblue It has to do with a lot of factors. But in essence moving from the regional rankings and showing up so very well in the National uni rankings does lead to more associated prestige. (In my book.)
It’s the big leagues.
Elon has an awful lot going for it imho obviously.
When my neighbor mentioned her D was going to UMass-Amherst a year ago, I thought it was a strange choice at the time. Usually kids moving across country to MA from our local public HS, will go to one of the Boston area schools. For example, 4 kids from the Class of 2018 enrolled at MIT, 6 kids went to Northeastern and 5 kids decided on BU.
Good for UMass-Amherst!
Elon did particularly well in quality of undergraduate teaching, coming in 2nd behind Princeton.
Did Wake Forest move up, or has it always been that high?
Wake Forrest has usually been just outside the top 20.
Wake has been a very steady top 30 for a long time. Sixth year in a row at 27. All time high was 23 in 2014. All time low was 31 in 1996.
Interestingly it seems most of the movement seems to be involved with new social mobility criteria, (which CA universities do very well in). But not quite as well as those that meet full financial need. Big merit isn’t going to help that which maybe why Alabama is falling so fast.
“For Berkeley, 75.5% graduate in 4”
“By the way it’s the exact same graduation rate as University of Michigan.”
Not quite. Michigan is at 79%.
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=university+of+alabama&s=all&id=100751#outcome indicates that 8 year graduation rate at University of Alabama is 74% for non-Pell students but only 57% for Pell students. For comparison, at UC Merced, the rates are 69% and 67% respectively. However, these social mobility factors (Pell graduation rate, and comparison to non-Pell graduation rate) make up only 5% of the USNWR ranking.
UC Merced also has 67% of its frosh on Pell grants, compared to only 17% for University of Alabama, although these percentages do not appear to be used in USNWR social mobility scoring.