<p>Does anyone have the full list (or at least top 50) of USNWR rankings in undergraduate engineering where doctorate is highest level (this is the list where MIT is #1)</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>BUMP.</p>
<p>Interested in this as well</p>
<p>the civil engineering list would be nice</p>
<p>Google, people.</p>
<p>BTW, you realize that basing any decisions off of that ranking would be rather stupid, right?</p>
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<p>Is there a reason you only care about the doctorate level schools? </p>
<p>@PurpleTitan
Good sir, the US news rankings must be paid for past top 10. No rankings have been found released.
@fractalmstr
No, that is just the name of the list.</p>
<p>It would be nice just to see the lists. People won’t just be basing their college decisions on rankings but it can’t hurt to see them. And @PurpleTitan you don’t have to make baseless assumptions.</p>
<p>@ooohcollege
Exactly my point. It is nice to know which schools have reputable engineering programs. You may be surprised. Who knows, maybe a school you didn’t know had such a great engineering program (due to ignorance) in fact does. Then you go and research the school and may even very well end up applying.</p>
<p>Only problem is…these lists require a subscription. Anyone willing to help out? Hahahaha…</p>
<p>Um, @lb43823, it doesn’t actually work that way. Whether a school has a reputable program or not depends on what people in industry and academia think, and not on how adept a school is at gaming a ranking.</p>
<p>So @ooohcollege, it <em>can</em> hurt to see them, if people are misled in to attending a school that is highly ranked but who’s grads have poor employment prospects. BTW, while this isn’t a big concern in engineering (where some industries are very flat, so the ranking of your school almost doesn’t matter), I have seen that in finance.</p>
<p>It is well known that these rankings are imperfect measures at best and should not be relied upon to make any important decisions. Just look at the difference between the USNWR top 10 Engineering programs and those [listed</a> by USA Today](<a href=“http://college.usatoday.com/2014/08/20/the-top-10-engineering-colleges-in-the-u-s/"]listed”>http://college.usatoday.com/2014/08/20/the-top-10-engineering-colleges-in-the-u-s/). Who’s to say one methodology is better than another?</p>
<p>What you really should care about when choosing an undergraduate engineering program is whether the kind of school fits you (public, private, urban, college town, large or small), whether the major you want is available, whether you are getting a financial aid package that makes the education affordable. Most important of all though, make sure that the program is ABET accredited.</p>
<p>Not the same as looking at a list but if for whatever reason you want to know how a school is ranked if you Google the school’s name and the word ranking you will very likely find info about how that school is ranked particularly if it has a ranking that the school wants to boast about. It won’t turn you on to schools you haven’t thought of but will give you another piece of information about a school you are looking at.</p>
<p>In my S’ s case this was useful because he didn’t want to look outside our instate publics. When I saw information including rankings that pointed to our schools being well respected it made it easy to keep the search narrow. When it came to choosing between well respected schools the relative rankings didn’t play a role. I just thought I’d provide an example of how this info helped us. I however completely agree you don’t want to look at this info in a vacuum. </p>
<p>I’ll often say “ranking, schmankings”… ie not a big deal. But using various ranking lists and other college research info can help you learn about new options. The caveat is just to use them as data points along the way, to be considered with very many other factors… especially “fit”. </p>
<p>DH and I are both engineers. Interestingly, we had never heard of the top 3 from this list (programs with a doctorate program). <a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-no-doctorate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-no-doctorate</a>. </p>
<p>It turns out they are all great schools for top students that want a small school with undergrad emphasis. Two were on DS’s top choices list, and he’s a senior at one of them now. </p>
<p>Mind you, I do think that subject matter rankings that either reflect academic opinions (USN), research prowess (ARWU) or professional success (LinkedIn) have some value. Also, being in the top 10 is worth something (all of the top 10 in the USN ranking that the OP is asking about are known as good engineering schools nationwide, for instance). However, outside of that, other factors will become more important (such as location).</p>
<p>There are people in the Midwest who are impressed by IIT (the one in Chicago) or Rose-Hulman grads and there are people in the Northeast who are impressed by RPI or WPI grads who would not think much of an engineering degree from USC (even though they’re 11th in the USN grad engineering ranking). Go to SoCal, and most people wouldn’t have heard of RHIT/IIT/RPI/WPI.</p>
<p>Certanly, no hiring manager is going to be more impressed just because some school is 18th instead of 36th (or less impressed that a school is 36th instead of 18th) in the USN “Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs” ranking.</p>
<p>The criticisms about gaming the system would be valid if you were talking about the overall USNWR rankings, but the [url=<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2014/09/08/best-undergraduate-engineering-programs-methodology]methodology[/url”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2014/09/08/best-undergraduate-engineering-programs-methodology]methodology[/url</a>] for the undergraduate engineering programs is based solely on the peer rankings of deans and faculty at other schools. Of course, this is silly in its own right because it completely ignores the opinion of employers and that sort of factor such as the non-academic things that places like [url=<a href=“http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/]Northeastern[/url”>http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/]Northeastern[/url</a>] have done to try to shoot up the rankings. I will also note that most deans and faculty at other programs are familiar with other schools through their knowledge of the graduate programs, so the “undergraduate engineering” rankings in USNWR are still rather heavily weighting the graduate programs in determining the list.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the graduate program rankings for engineering have a [url=<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/2014/03/10/methodology-2015-best-engineering-schools-rankings]methodology[/url”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/2014/03/10/methodology-2015-best-engineering-schools-rankings]methodology[/url</a>] that is much more diverse and, in my opinion, more suited to the undergraduate rankings. 25% is based on peer assessment and 15% is based on the assessment of corporate recruiters and others who hire engineers. Some of the other factors are more suited to undergraduate rankings and some of them really shouldn’t be there at all, but they are at least all pretty difficult to fake.</p>
<p>That said, they are still a highly imperfect system that should be used as a rough guide only. They do alright placing schools correctly into their correct tiers, but there is nothing to say that school number 7 is actually better than school number 12 or that school number 64 is better than school number 72. On the other hand, you can pretty much bet that school number 7 is by at least the most common metrics better than school number 64. That’s about the extend of the utility of the USNWR rankings. Anything beyond that is just silly.</p>