USNA vs USCGA

<p>No, and he did get a nomination. What he was told is that when it comes to the appointment process being a white male is a disadvantage. I am not making any kind of values statement only describing verbatum what was told to a high school junior as he talked to the reps at Academy night.</p>

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<p>So...who was it that told him he was the wrong gender and race?</p>

<p>A representative of the Congressman's Academy Team (not our congressman by the way / Academy nights are done for larger areas here) and someone that interviews perspective candidates.</p>

<p>Uh, Snipes if you really know your SAVI men can get abused too even though by much lower percents. Either way we're not your average prissy high school girls you're used to. The guys seem to have no problem with us having a striper role, though I admit it's cringing at times hearing a female yelling out "atten-hut". It's just hard that there are a few of us that qualifies highly in academics, physically, and <em>personality</em> wise to earn a position. It would be the same if you just pick 50 males at random and say they all qualify highly in each of those areas. Here at NAPS right now we have a female battalion commander and everyone is proud of her, esp our company because she is one of ours. And each platoon votes on an honor person, someone they think has much honor and they don't have to stand watches. I only know of 2 females (out of 6 platoons) who have gotten it. As for combat I really have no opinion. There are even football players who can't pass the PRT and a few girls at have even passed the male PRT.</p>

<p>The service academies (and ROTC programs) do have racial conscious recruitment and admission guidelines/requirements/quotas. The intent is to have the officer corps representative of the enlisted population. African American, Hispanic, Native American (preference) and females comprise over 40% of the population at the Naval Academy. Throw in athletes and current servicemembers and about 50% go to the head of the line in the admissions process. SAT scores can be as much as 200 points lower initially than the average. I think what juniormom is trying to say is that a white male could very well have a much higher whole-person score yet be denied an appointment because there just aren't enough slots.</p>

<p>That being said, the female appointees so far at least on CC appear to be "highly qualified" when compared to the overall profile of USNA class of 2008. Many of these women have also been accepted to top tier universities nationwide. Moreover, don't females on average outperform males academically at USNA? Also, on ship selection night a female firstie had first pick according to order of merit!</p>

<p>Sempergumby has it right on...thanks...</p>

<p>The physical demands on female Cadets are incredible and many times result in injury. Rucksack marches at USMA cause stress fractures, particularly in shorter women. These young women are impressive and work very hard to gain the upper body strength to do want the Academies demand, but they are no way comparable to the male Cadets in strength. Admission to a Service Academy is a crapshoot for many and easy for some. The tough part is the 4 years it takes to graduate.</p>

<p>hmmm. Well, I don't consider myself sexist. Maybe I am, but I really don't feel that way. Some of the strongest influences and peole in my life are women. It has nothing at all to do with my "sexist" views. I know women can lead, hell, I am a Hillary for prez '08 guy! It's pure practicality. Women should not be in a direct combat branch of the armed forces, it doesn't matter whether it is a leadership role or not.</p>

<p>KateLewis, only 15% of males are over 6 feet? Wow, I guess I just take for granted how tall I am, what percentage of men in the army are 6'5? (only one inch below disqualification!)</p>

<p>In that case I rescind that statement. It really wasn't a serious question, it was food for thought. If history has proven one thing, our country seems to have a preference for large, strong leaders. Of course there are exceptions, including my favorite president, James Madison.</p>

<p>I think I am going to stop responding to women's role in combat from now on. While it's a controversial topic I enjoy discussing, I am really beating it to death. I can see and understand the viewpoints of most people who responded, and I won't claim that I am right and they are wrong. Anything is possible. I just hope that my dissenters at least have SOME clue where I am coming from.</p>

<p>"The tough part is the 4 years it takes to graduate."</p>

<p>Actually, the 4 years it takes to graduate is just the warm-up. I swear!</p>

<p>DeepThroat</p>

<p>Wow, I take a couple of days off to hibernate in the desert in my motorhome and become the topic of conversation! :)</p>

<p>Yes, I am a dad, not a mom.</p>

<p>Yes, I have a son. He is a senior at the USC Marshal School of Business--he is all about making money and living comfortably--not the military type at all! </p>

<p>No, I can't say for sure if my daughter will be able to do all the things someone asked about in a combat situation. I imagine that there are men who can't say for sure either---they may look good on paper and in the mirror and fall apart when the bullets start flying. But I will say that if she can't it won't be merely because she is a woman. </p>

<p>No. She is not 6 feet tall. She is 5'9" and can whip off abt 60 puships in two minutes--not the best, but not bad as well. She runs long distance so I don't think stamina is an issue. I have no clue what she could bench press-Idoubt she does either--I am sure it is not as much as a man is similar physical shape.</p>

<p>"shogun" is a screen name I have used for abt 10 years now. My wife is half- Japanese.</p>

<p>I appreciate everyones input and opinion. Like every topic worth discussing there are going to be varying points of view. No one on this board is stupid, bigoted, or living in a cave. I think this issue will be worked out over time.</p>

<p>ooo im half chinese :D</p>

<p>I find this discussion ironic reading from a 2013 standpoint</p>