<p>I really don't know anything about TAMS or Plano East IB. However, in regards to an MBA, you are way too young to worry about that now. Good MBA programs generally require post-graduate work experience and most students attend a different school for their MBA than they did for undergrad.</p>
<p>However, if you really want to know about McCombs MBA, it is pretty typical of top 20 MBA programs. Top students go on to Ibanking (NYC and Houston), top consulting (Mckinsey etc), private equity, etc. It is also particularly strong for jobs in marketing, energy finance, and real estate finance. It is the only top 20 school anywhere close to Texas (although, Rice, Texas A&M, and SMU are all top 50 schools).</p>
<p>However, that is neither here nor there for you. I would definitely look into UT's BHP program for undergraduate business, but that has nothing to do with the MBA program.</p>
<p>if you guys are taking the business week rankings so seriously, then look at ND Mendoza= #3 this year.</p>
<p>lol @ medoza...does not deserve to be in the top 10 at all....BW keeps getting more illegitimate by the day</p>
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<p>Is everyone biased against ND because it's Catholic? I really can't seem to understand why some people find it hard to respect one of the best schools in the nation, especially in business, considering that it has one of the best alumni networks of any school.</p>
<p>May I ask if your 18-year-old self has any legitimate reason to believe this?</p>
<p>i didn't even know ND was catholic until you mentioned it here in your post...I don't think mendoza deserves the rank BW gives it because many schools ranked below it, such as Sloan, Ross, Stern, Cornell AEM etc are superior in terms of student quality, recruiting etc</p>
<p>I am Catholic and I do not understand how Mendoza can be ranked among the top 10. There are easily 10 BBA programs that are better. From an academic/departmental point of view, I just don't see how Mendoza can unseat any of the following programs:</p>
<p>Cornell University
Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
New York University (Stern)
University of California-Berkeley (Haas)
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (Ross)
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (Kenan Flagler)
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
University of Texas-Austin (McCombs)
University of Virginia (McIntire)</p>
<p>I don't think Notre Dame can unseat any of those. Plus you have other major programs, such as Goizuetta (Emory), Kelley (Indiana), Marshall (USC), McDonough (Georgetown) etc... that are just as good. </p>
<p>This said, in terms of professional placement, Mendoza probably belongs among the top 10 thanks to its excellent alumni network and strong ties to Chicago.</p>
<p>Okay. I have a question for you Alexandre. It seems like all across the CC boards, people deride Notre Dame for being overrated in pretty much everything, whereas comparable schools like Northwestern and Georgetown are glorified and put on a pedestal of prestige and academic quality. But when I look at the ND facilities and descriptions of academic programs, they seem just as good if not better than many of these other supposedly "more prestigious" schools like the aforementioned. From my impression of Notre Dame, it is an UNDERrated school in the sciences, in which I have heard excellent things from several students regarding the quality of instruction and medical school placement/admission rates.</p>
<p>My question to you is this: What is the deal with Notre Dame academics relative to Ivy League schools and top private u's like Northwestern and Stanford? When I visited ND several weeks ago, I met students that had turned down Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Stanford, and Dartmouth to come to ND. It makes me wonder about ND's standing as an academic institution, because it seems like there are a lot of people who look down upon the school.</p>
<p>This may be a bit convoluted, but I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about this.</p>
<p>Also, I have doubts as to whether the student quality of stern, haas, and ross is really better than ND. I mean, ND accepts fewer than 25% and is ranked in the top 20 by USN&WR, whereas NYU is in the 30's. No offense or anything, but there is a clear difference there. My friend got into Stern, and his stats are nothing near what you would need to be accepted at ND, Cornell, or similar.</p>
<p>At my school this year, ND was harder to get into than Georgetown and Berkeley and was about equal with Northwestern. It is also ranked #13 on the preference ranking of American Universities, revealing that it attracts many of the top students in the nation due to its unique qualities.</p>
<p>And to say that ND is inferior to those other schools in recruiting is pretty outrageous--everyone knows that ND's career/job placement (especially in business) is competitive with the ivies.</p>
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<p>Stern's acceptance rate this year was 14%, and NYU's overall acceptance rate was 24%, pretty much on par with ND. Now lets look at the average SAT score of Mendoza vs Stern.... According to BW
Stern ---> 1438
Mendoza ---> 1379</p>
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<p>One more thing... i was looking at the faculty directory for finance at Mendoza and comparing it to that of Stern...i found that there are a LOT of Stern professors who have completed their degrees from ivy league schools and other elite institutions such as U Chicago, MIT, Stanford etc...on the other hand, most of the professors at Mendoza have completed their degrees from not-so-elite state schools...lol, now im not suggesting that mendoza professors are not qualified, but to a certain extent, this does show that Stern, in a way, has better faculty compared to Mendoza</p>
<p>indiejimmy, where have I ever placed Georgetown on a pedestal. I always list Notre Dame and Georgetown (along with Rice, Emory, Wash U. Vanderbilt and several other AWESOME universities) in the same peer group. In post 167 above, I said that Georgetown is as good as Notre Dame, not better. As an overall university, I always rate Notre Dame one notch below the Ivies and other elite universities such as Duke, Northwestern, Stanford etc... I would hardly say that I am "deriding" the school. </p>
<p>And this is not a discussion about student quality. Notre Dame students are among the most gifted. Nor is it a discussion on endowment. At $6 billion, Notre Dame's endowment is incredible, especially when one is considering its relatively modest enrollment. </p>
<p>This said, I do not believe Notre Dame's BBA program is among the top 10. Top 20, definitely. Top 15, arguably. But top 10 seems a little high for my taste. But again, given the talent of its student body and the loyalty of its alums, Mendoza is probably top 10 in terms of professional placement.</p>
<p>after looking at the stern website, it's pretty clear that there are many excellent professors there. I was unaware that nyu had such a great business program. congrats on being accepted. i guess my friend who pulled off a top 20% ranking and 2000 SAT is really fortunate to be going there, with 90% of the professors having a Ph.D. from very elite graduate schools.</p>
<p>to alexandre: I never said that YOU derided Notre Dame or placed Georgetown on a pedestal. I was simply commenting on the strange number of CC people who expressed those opinions. Also, when I was speaking of academics, I was referring to not just business programs but also arts&sciences programs -- what is your take on ND's science/social science programs?</p>
<p>I chose ND over northwestern thinking that the academics are about equal...</p>
<p>How is northwestern better academically than ND?</p>
<p>Notre Dame's Science/Social Science programs are decent but not great. </p>
<p>That is not to say that the education you will receive at Notre Dame will not be stellar. Far from it in fact. You will receive an excellent education. Notre Dame has a caring faculty, incredible wealth and a talented student body. As such, if one is seeking a good education at Notre Dame, one will most assuredly get it. </p>
<p>However, academically speaking, I do not believe that Notre Dame is quite on par with the Ivies or Northwestern. It does not have the same quality faculty, facilities or curriculum. </p>
<p>That's just my opinion of course. My being a Wolverine could have something to do with it! hehe! Seriously though, I am Catholic, and a citizen of France (Notre Dame was founded by a Frenchman if I am not mistaken), so I have nothing against the university. There are many who would prize a Notre Dame education above all else. And chosing Notre Dame over Northwestern or an Ivy League if the fit is right is a perfectly justifiable decision. But personally, I would not say that Notre Dame, as an academic institution, is as good as Northwestern.</p>
<p>Only because Faculty Quality was mentioned, I'm gonna post this link that's a few years old...</p>
<p>A</a> RANKING OF UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOLS</p>
<p>Faculty Scores....
Berkeley - 100
Michigan - 88 <--just for you, Alexandre
Texas - 82
Northwestern - 80
NYU - 74
Georgetown - 58
Notre Dame - 58</p>
<p>According to Leiter's ranking, both Notre Dame and Georgetown are overrated by USNWR</p>
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<p>So that would obviously include research, graduate programs, etc.</p>
<p>I completely agree if that's what you are referring to.</p>
<p>But in reality, the difference would hardly affect the respective undergraduate programs in terms of quality, right?</p>
<p>For me, I'm planning on being pre-med and majoring in chemistry or economics. If I decide medicine is not for me, I will likely pursue IB as a 2nd option. From what I've seen on this thread, Notre Dame is a great school for IB recruiting (up there with the ivies). Since pre-med is largely based on GPA and IB recruitment is a function of business/economics prestige (which both schools seem to have), it wouldn't really make much of a difference for me personally in an academic sense whether I chose ND or NU, would it?</p>
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<p>Not to burst your bubble or anything, but a hell of a lot more goes into the quality of an undergraduate school than "faculty scores," and I like to think that USN&WR considers some of those things.</p>
<p>That's a lot more relevant to ranking grad school programs, IMO.</p>
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<p>ND Mendoza is not really that good for IB recruiting, especially for front office roles.....NU is MUCH better, choose that instead of Notre Dame</p>
<p>a lot of people at my school thought I was crazy to choose ND over NU/Gtown.</p>
<p>it seems ridiculous to me that choosing one school over another (when both are clearly in the same league) will drastically affect my career options...when i'm reading the IB forum, I can't help but think that a lot of those "experts" really just have their heads up their asses in terms of saying "no one" from ND gets IB jobs.</p>
<p>But that's just my impression.</p>
<p>you are crazy
Georgetown is the number 3 feeder school for goldman sach</p>