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<p>Since you obtained that information by compiling data from the Rhodes Trust’s website, you must have taken the time to read about their viea that “institutional statistics [are]subject to easy misinterpretation, or misapplication.”</p>
<p>You would have saved yourself a lot of time and effort by realizing how useless and misleading the list you posted several times is. </p>
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<p>^ Another reason the students don’t matter as much as the faculty…</p>
<p>truth123, I agree that student selectivity is also not a very strong indicator of academics (Einstein’s one example; another is Andrew Fire, who was rejected by Stanford, went to Berkeley instead, and ended up getting a Nobel). It plays a role, definitely, but people on this site definitely overestimate it. But as xiggi’s post indicates, the Rhodes is even less reliable - it also explains why the awards are easier to come by in, say, New Jersey or Connecticut than in California or Texas, where the competition is much tougher because the populations are larger. It also explains why the University of West Virginia has more than UPenn and Northwestern (whose states are much more competitive).</p>
<p>Truth123, thanks for the complete list.</p>
<p>In the mean time, I saw this article:</p>
<p>[2012</a> US News College Rankings | Business Pundit](<a href=“http://www.businesspundit.com/2012-us-news-college-rankings/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]2012”>http://www.businesspundit.com/2012-us-news-college-rankings/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)</p>
<p>Which means we won’t have to wait long enough for the rankings.</p>
<p>what we can tell from the Rhodes list is that even if you end up at a lesser known school, you still have a shot to receive prestigious fellowships!</p>
<p>truth123,</p>
<p>You neglected to include Boston College on your list, which has had 2 Rhodes Scholars since 2000…oh, wait, I see, it’s because BC is not in the “top 25” of Universities or LACs — so sorry…</p>
<p>Anyone have any guesses as to where Umiami ends up? I’d like to believe we’re heading up, but I’m not expert. 47 last year, I’d love to crack the top 40 this year (however unlikely)! Still I think we’re on the rise, watch out for the U.</p>
<p>estimates on the where the uc’s land? will sb and davis be tied…again?</p>
<p>My money is on Berkeley being in the Top 20 next year. It was very selective with admits who had high SAT scores. But this year, same a usual 21 - 22. Possibly tied with USC. </p>
<p>UCLA will most likly stay at 25. </p>
<p>I predict Davis, SB, SD will stay the same, but Irvine will jump a few spaces. </p>
<p>Will this be the first year Merced is listed?</p>
<p>My money is on Berkeley being in the Top 20 next year. It was very selective with admits who had high SAT scores. But this year, same a usual 21 - 22. Possibly tied with USC. </p>
<p>UCLA will most likly stay at 25. </p>
<p>I predict Davis, SB, SD will stay the same, but Irvine will jump up a few spaces. </p>
<p>Will this be the first year Merced is listed?</p>
<p>I predict USC will go up. Too many donations this year lol</p>
<p>I think Yale’s going to be #1 this year. Its endowment rose.</p>
<p>Who really cares except Harvard and Williams, who want to hold on to their USNWR preeminence? Also, how useful is this, really, to students looking at colleges: any absolute ranking other than, perhaps, in broad groupings is not of practical use (gosh, is MIT really not as good as Princeton, or Pomona really not as good as Middlebury)?</p>
<p>USC will break top 20, passing Cal</p>
<p>^^^^I suppose if they include a few more fictitious NAE members, it just might happen. </p>
<p>[News:</a> More Rankings Rigging - Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/08/usc]News:”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/08/usc)</p>
<p>^ yeah, Berkeley is still many steps ahead of USC (I can’t honestly think of anything that USC is better in - from selectivity to faculty strength), and although the gap isn’t as large as it was a few years ago, there’s still a gap, enough that USC won’t be leapfrogging Berkeley any time soon.</p>
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<p>How about the School of Cinematic Arts?</p>
<p>^ I should have been clearer - not specific disciplines (I’m sure there’s more than one where USC edges Berkeley out), but rather the typical ‘general’ measures that people discuss on this site like selectivity, faculty strength, Rhodes winners, number of top programs, etc.</p>
<p>@hotpotato1092,</p>
<p>“Anyone have any guesses as to where Umiami ends up? I’d like to believe we’re heading up, but I’m not expert. 47 last year, I’d love to crack the top 40 this year (however unlikely)! Still I think we’re on the rise, watch out for the U.”</p>
<p>… Miami might end-up with an empty stadium after NCAA’s possible death penalty which took SMU three decades to recover. Not sure how big of an impact academically as a result for the school in the future, but one thing is pretty certain that the school won’t be moving up on USNWR starting next year.</p>
<p>Taiwanese Dong Dong News:</p>
<p>[University</a> of Miami booster admits to scandal - YouTube](<a href=“University of Miami booster admits to scandal - YouTube”>University of Miami booster admits to scandal - YouTube)</p>
<p>Sparkeye7: As a Buckeye supporter you really shouldn’t be commenting too much about what is going to happen to Miami. The NCAA isn’t through with your alma mater yet!</p>
<p>[Report:</a> More NCAA allegations for Ohio St. - Dayton Business Journal](<a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/blog/morning_call/2011/08/report-more-ncaa-allegations-for-ohio-s.html]Report:”>http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/blog/morning_call/2011/08/report-more-ncaa-allegations-for-ohio-s.html)</p>