Guess I better read it.
There was enough in my post to indicate the point was whether or not the vaccines produce an abiding enough response to make them a hill to die on. In that respect, slice and dice of the last reported numbers is kind of pointless.
Correct, and thanks, but what I recall hearing was for Los Angeles County alone. Still might be off but your quoted didnât make that distinction.
Good one. Seems the definition doesnât include any qualifier as to an âabidingâ effect.
Fwiw: the Ronco guy, the one whoâs commercials included ⊠but wait, thereâs more!, passed away this week.
[quote] Definition of vaccine
1 : a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the bodyâs [immune response](Immune Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster response) against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as
Special enough that Merriam qualified it by the distinction⊠but still nary a word as to âabidingâ.
Nevertheless, nightâs still young, more footnotes may be coming.
Look, Iâm not anti-vaccine in general, just anti-vaccine specifically. Iâve had it, content with whatever natural immunity Iâve earned, and not interested in being forced to eat something that might disagree with me.
That the vaccine might be the equivalent of a vitamin D shot that I have to keeping topping off every 4 to 6 months, isnât really a selling point at this time. And if it turns out, in the next couple of months, that the protection against a severe case wanes like the protection against infection Iâll turn even more of a stink eye to it.
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Probably, but it isnât due to the vaccinated people. From the data Iâve seen here and elsewhere the vast majority of hospitalized and dying people are the unvaccinated. The rare cases where itâs someone vaccinated there are other health issues involved like immunocompromised (vs the typical co-morbidities).
If everyone who could had gotten vaccinated, weâd hardly know Covid was still out there even with multiple case - Delta variant or not. But since so many are still going to the hospitals and having a tough time, yeah, we know itâs out there.
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Because they havenât bothered to study it because itâs not life threatening like clotting or myocarditis. Doesnât mean itâs not a side effect.
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Delta Variant Surges In LA And More Vaccinated People Are Testing Positive | LAist says that 20% of cases in June in Los Angeles County were in vaccinated people. About 64% of the population in Los Angeles County had at least one dose in mid-May, according to http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/vaccine/vaccine-dashboard.htm , so about that percentage was likely fully vaccinated in mid-June.
That means that vaccinated people were 86% less likely to get COVID-19 (20% of cases out of 64% of the population, versus 80% of the cases out of 36% of the population) in Los Angeles County in June.
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Honestly?
I believe we could have vaccinated every single current person in the US, on the same day, and it will still grind through. Borders are porous enough for it.
Life will get better but I fear weâve damaged a generation of kids for no reason other than our own fear of death. As successors to the âgreatest generationâ, I believe we seriously suck.
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I was flying to the western continental US last week and was sitting at a gate next to mine. Everyone was coming up to get their vaccine status verified. Destination: Honolulu.
1/5, instead of a 1/4 - I seem to stand corrected.
When the point is trajectory, I donât think it matters.
Meanwhile, in past two hours, I have read two different posts on different threads falsely linking the vaccine to âfertility issues.â The power of anecdote + speculation is strong. But you be you.
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Not only fertility issues, but communicable fertility issues spread by vaccinated to those unvaccinated.
And cardiovascular risk in unvaccinated peeps caused by spike protein shedding from vaccinated peeps.
I canât even. 
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How can the scientists know if fertility issues exist? Weâve had maybe a year of vaccine data so far. The idea we know everything about this virus and the vaccines after 18 months is ridiculous. The clotting and myocarditis issues werenât included as side effects initially either. Knowledge is evolving over time. Itâs the continued insistence that everything worth knowing about the virus and the vaccines has been already discovered thatâs contributing to the problem of vaccine reluctance. Medicine is mainly best guess work with current facts at the end of the day.
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Acceleration of Alzheimerâs? Sounds like Covid does it.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/health/covid-cognitive-decline-alzheimers/index.html
Super plausible. Oxygen deprivation of the brain can do horrible things.
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Itâs possible to tell the difference between pure speculation and what may be of interest to a medical researcher. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I want to clarify that I was highlighting a new (to me) and false issue surrounding communicable fertility issues (from those vaccinated to those unvaccinated).
I agree we donât know everything about the vaccines and covid.
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It is such absolute nonsense. Yet there are quite a few otherwise intelligent posters in this thread who are sure they know best, and that they and everyone else here is just so educated that nothing anyone writes could possibly be misconstrued, and that they couldnât possibly be adding to the problem by posting their own anecdotes and speculation on a public chat board? It boggles the mind.
And now of course even the mention of the insanity immediately attracts more. Sheesh.
Not sure this is quite accurate. That Provincetown data caused the CDC to kind of freak out. The recommendation was actually for universal re-masking (Walensky didnât announce that, but itâs right there in the slides). Now maybe that was an over-reaction, as vaccination still is quite protective against disease, hospitalization and death. But the rate of transmission was found to be nearly identical between vaccinated and non-vaccinated, and CDC is definitely stating that breakthrough infections may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases. For the vulnerable (the elderly, the immune-compromised) the more highly infectious and likely more severe Delta variant is very concerning: itâs not at all clear that they are as protected as we thought, even if their loved ones are vaccinated.
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Spike protein shedding is a serious threat. Somebody can step on one of the spikes and hurt their foot.
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My post wasnât in response to yours. I apologize if it came off that way.
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Are there any vaccines that cause infertility? What is the mechanism that causes it?
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