Google found this preprint:
And yes, as I wrote, Iām sure there are some who have really bad reactions to the vaccines because some will have really bad reactions to any vaccine out there. Thatās how human bodies with all of our variations work. But if we compare numbers of those with really bad reactions to those who merely had sore arms or maybe felt out of it for a day or two, the numbers wouldnāt be even close to equal.
Same goes for those who donāt make it.
So, as I said, choose your odds.
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And definitely still wishing you all the best as you try to figure out what your specific odds are.
Same to everyone who had an ER causing reaction TBH. Itās frustrating that vaccines arenāt 100% safe, even if they are totally safe for more people than Covid, itself, is.
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From Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis Using Hospital-Based Administrative Data ā United States, March 2020āJanuary 2021 | MMWR and Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 to August 2021
| Event | Age | Gender | Myocarditis rate |
|---|---|---|---|
| COVID-19 (no vaccine) | <16 | all | 1 in 754 |
| COVID-19 (no vaccine) | 16-24 | all | 1 in 1,023 |
| COVID-19 (no vaccine) | 25-39 | all | 1 in 1,291 |
| Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose | 12-15 | male | 1 in 14,138 |
| Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose | 16-17 | male | 1 in 9,446 |
| Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose | 18-24 | male | 1 in 19,073 |
| Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose | 25-29 | male | 1 in 57,870 |
| Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose | 30-39 | male | 1 in 140,845 |
| Moderna vaccine 2nd dose | 18-24 | male | 1 in 17,759 |
| Moderna vaccine 2nd dose | 25-29 | male | 1 in 41,356 |
| Moderna vaccine 2nd dose | 30-39 | male | 1 in 126,103 |
Note that myocarditis was also reported after first vaccine doses, but at much lower rates. For females, rates after vaccine doses were much lower (the highest was 1 in 91,074 for age 16-17 after the Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose).
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Conclusions: Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.
Thanks! This is the sort of easy-to-understand conclusion I was looking for. Sure, itās a preprint but itās still useful (hopefully will be peer-reviewed at some point).
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Oh good - yes I noticed that JAMA article as well. Thanks for taking the time to compile the data and post!
I am replying to myself here 
but wanted to say my DC was fine! All test came back normal and no long term issues.
We went with the numbers - the chance of a serious reaction or long term effect from the vaccine was much, much, much lower than a serious reaction or long term effect from COVID!
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Not really surprising considering how many people didnāt follow them. Same for masks.
All is takes is a couple of Covidiots to spread it around. There have been plenty.
By Covidiot Iām referring to those who actually know or strongly feel they are positive, but they go out shopping or vacationing anyway - not those who unwittingly spread it. The latter add to it all too, albeit, not intentionally. No country can really shut down if their people need to eat and still have other health issues going on.
What has slowed Covid deaths are the vaccines. Iām glad they were able to get those as quickly as they did.
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Yes, the vaccines have done a great job of reducing the overall severity of the virus.
Just interesting how little effect the lockdowns actually had. Iām glad many places are now taking a different approach.
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So sad to think how many, particularly children, suffered unnecessarily from the closings.
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I think itās because in a free society we have no way of enforcing a true lockdown. The closest we had to a real lockdown was at the beginning of the pandemic. It was unsustainable due to human nature, our reticence to being controlled, and pure economics. The very fact that this is a thread is testament to this and overall this group is a pretty homogenous group ideologically. The same to a lesser degree can be said for vaccine and mask mandates. For them to really work there has to be an authority that can use force to enforce it. That will not happen here or in any free society.
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Or a general consensus to greatly self restrict for enough to stamp out the virus to gain freedom from the virus afterwards (e.g. New Zealand).
But that never happened in the US, where ālockdownsā were only enough to fight the virus to a tie, and then people gave up when the game went to overtime. The virus did not give up in overtime.
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NZ just postponed arrival of the virus. When the country opens back up, omicron or whatever variant then in force will sweep through. The vaccine then utilized may or may not be effective against that variant.
The study seems consistent with the results I have observed. Schools were open all the time here; they werenāt elsewhere, nevertheless we all seemed to experience the delta and omicron surges.
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Postponing the virus until after vaccination reduces the number of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths compared to letting the virus run through the population before vaccines were available.
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That can work in a small island with more sheep than people. I donāt think it is particularly helpful for a larger country.
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Before vaccines were available, did you variolate yourself with the virus to get it over with, or did you try to postpone your exposure to the virus until after vaccination?
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Localized lockdown didnāt work unless people were restricted from entering and leaving the area. Otherwise, viruses would just move to another area and spread there, and move back to the area once the lockdown was lifted. Itās much easier to restrict the movement of people in island nations.
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Like everywhere, we were told to avoid exposure in order to āflatten the curveā and ease burdens on then overwhelmed hospitals. Was that not the guidance you were given? I never expected to avoid covid altogether, just time it right for the healthworkersā workload.
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