<p>beef and slipper...
penn and dartmouth are entirely different schools. if you are very pre-professional or want to be in a city, penn is probably what you want. if you want a very LAC type experience, Dartmouth would be better.
stop arguing. thanks :P</p>
<p>Beef Supreme: selectivity is a small part of US News's rankings formula. Penn is easier to get into than Dartmouth in every measurable category (SAT scores, admissions rate, etc.). Not only do you seem to be confusing "spot in the rankings" and "difficulty to get into," but you also see the ranking as far too important. Penn is sometimes considered to be ranked too high, anyway, due to the numerous ways in which they "game" the system.</p>
<p>Not at all. I hate the rankings, but it was brought up. Dartmouth is a number driven school, they have the highest SAT scores outside of the big three and attract the most valedictorians... because that's what they strive for. Penn isn't like that and so their stats are lower, overall I think Penn is a higher quality school and attracts a more self-selective qualified applicant pool.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is much harder to get into than Penn</p>
<p>UCLA's middle 50%, according to princetonreview: </p>
<pre><code> Critical Reading Middle 50%: 660 - 720
Math Middle 50%: 700 - 760
Writing Middle 50%: 670 - 720
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<p>So, composite is 2030 - 2200. </p>
<p>If you were in state, I'd think you'd have a great shot at getting in - your ECs and GPA are fantastic and your SAT is good - but since you're out of state it really reduces your chances. Sorry, I don't know enough about the other schools to chance for them. /:</p>
<p>Penn is a school for legacies, developmentals, URM, big donors and athelectics. Perhaps, only 25% of the student body are made up of geeks.</p>
<p>"Dartmouth is much harder to get into than Penn"</p>
<p>That is completely false, I like how you make a comment without backing it up.</p>
<p>And slipper, if the stats are out let's see them instead of you telling us to look for them.</p>
<p>I tend to usually disagree with the US News rankings, but I'd say the guys there are better at analyzing and comparing schools than any of us. So if they ranked Dartmouth higher than Penn than so be it. But did they? NO.</p>
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<p>Muerte, goddess of college admissions information, has arrived.</p>
<p>This quote is laughable and incorrect. Dartmouth might be AS selective as Penn. But it is in no way "much harder to get into." The SAT averages are negligibly different; some years Penn is ahead by 10 points, other years Dartmouth is ahead by 10 points. But when that accounts for 3 points/section, that's not comparable.
In terms of HS ranking, Penn DESTROYS Dartmouth. Penn had 99% of incoming freshman from the top decile of their HS classes. Dartmouth about 92% last year.
Finally, in terms of simple acceptance rate, Dartmouth wins by like 2%. That changes too, though; in 2003, Penn's rate was lower, and in 2006 they were exactly the same. Dartmouth recently had an amazing admissions season, but that doesn't mean Penn isn't catching up. Especially considering how significantly higher Penn's HS numbers are.</p>
<p>Now that the selectivity argument is vanquished, let's move on to preferences. Would people rather attend Dartmouth over Penn? Nope. Here's some statistical evidence: cross admissions data FROM 5 YEARS AGO showed that the preference split was even. In the 5 years since, Penn has consistently remained in the top 10. Dartmouth dropped out completely. Indeed, even anecdotal evidence from my High School friends (girl rejected to Penn EARLY, got into Dartmouth RD, still wishes she got into Penn) and college friends (I've met innumerable Penn kids who were accepted to Dartmouth, it's not even worth talking about) strongly supports this thesis. Every time I meet a Dartmouth kid who found out I got into Penn has said something like, "Wow, I was really torn between the two," or just "oh, I got rejected." These are the two general sentiments.</p>
<p>Sorry to burst your bubble.</p>
<p>Muerte out.</p>
<p>LOL, I'm looking through all these ridiculous posts about Dartmouth's supposed selectivity-superiority. Truly absurd.</p>
<p>Look at this selectivity ranking from 2002, when Penn wasn't even nearly as good as it is now: A</a> Selectivity Database | A Sidebar to "The Selectivity Illusion"
Penn = 8
Dartmouth = 15</p>
<p>And this ranking doesn't take into account any of US News's BS. This is purely selectivity, calculated from SATs and HS rank.</p>
<p>Why are U of Penn kids on this forum so insecure and rude?</p>
<p>Give it a break.</p>
<p>You can definitely get into UCLA.
Nobody ever gets into Stanford.
Duke=maybe. I don't know, it seems like you did too much. Colleges don't like it when you overload yourself either. They want to see dedication on your part.</p>
<p>Penn kids are usually insecure because it is historically the easiest ivy to get into and the one with the least prestige. that is changing, but old habits die hard.</p>
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<p>It already changed, actually. But yes. Old habits do die hard.</p>
<p>Normally you'd be a match for UCLA. But out of state is going to make it almost impossible.</p>
<p>"Why are U of Penn kids on this forum so insecure and rude?"</p>
<p>it's really just muerteapablo... sometimes i think she's an anti-penn person in disguise trying to give penn a bad name</p>
<p>Yea, I'm nice! Want a cookie? :P</p>
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<p>Yeah, because I spread truth and force people to take back their ridiculous lies re: college admissions. Please. </p>
<p>I even met a kid at Cornell that got into Dartmouth, and chose Cornell.</p>
<p>Wait, did you do Maccabi in OC 2007 and Detroit 2008?</p>
<p>Omg guys did u hear that muerteapablo met a kid who decided not to go to a school and chose to go to an equally good school instead?????~!!!!!!11!!!?!?</p>
<p>I kinda like this EATYOURCEREAL fellow.</p>