<p>Anybody familiar with whether coaches make verbal offers to kids at the summer camps? D got a letter from a coach asking for her transcript and scores so they could take it to admissions for an early review. As far as we can determine, if the coach wants her she could pass admissions (2100 SAT, 3.7 unweighted GPA). Can we expect/hope for the coach to make her a verbal offer at camp this summer?
If anyone has received such an offer, please provide info on the school, your sport and how it happened, eg, did the coach pull you aside after camp? call you that night? speak to the parents?
Many thanks.</p>
<p>Much discussion about this is on this board…
This is sport dependant…and depends on the school and the scholar-athlete…
AND verbals are just verbals until the student has an admission from admissions.</p>
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<p>There are rules about what a coach can and cannot do at a camp. They are of course, virtually impossible to enforce, so the coach may do more than is allowed by the rules. It used to be that recruiting was not allowed at camps at all, but understanding that these rules are hard to enforce, I believe that coaches are allowed to have some discussions with a player attending a camp. I think an offer would cross that line, but again, this is hard to enforce. Additionally, there is nothing that would prevent the coach from making the offer minutes after the official end of the camp.</p>
<p>myluckydog: GREAT question, as I was wondering the same thing. Jr (a rising Sr who runs Track) has been asked by the Coaches at his top 2 choices for all of his transcripts, Sr schedule, etc as well.</p>
<p>He will be doing camp and his #1 in July and attending the recruiting day at his #2 in Aug.</p>
<p>When does your D have her camp?? And what is her sport?</p>
<p>Assuming it is before your senior year, this would be considered an unofficial visit and recruiting is allowed. My D got her verbal after camp. She knew it was coming because the college coach talked to her club coach about it. It was her second unofficial and they had watched her play multiple times and they had her transcripts to that point as well as her psat scores (this was just before junior year and she hadn’t taken SAT yet). After camp they asked certain athletes to stay with their parents. We met one on one with the coach who gave us the details of the offer and asked her how much time she felt like she needed to think about it. Because this was DII and the athletic portion was not full-ride, they also presented us with some material on academic scholarships she would be eligible for. We were able to ask any questions and D was given the time she needed. She accepted within a few days and has never looked back and is very much looking forward to November when she can sign the NLI and have it be official. Our sport is volleyball. Of her 5 team mates that are now also verbally committed (they are all D1), 2 were at a camp, 3 at a non-camp unofficial visits. All had very similar experiences.</p>
<p>Ironically, this school had been her first unofficial visit and she LOVED it - academically, athletically and geographically. Because we knew quite a few months BEFORE camp that a verbal was likely, we went on 10 other unofficial visits (4 were local schools she wasn’t all that interested in but we could easily see for comparison) and she attended 3 other camps. It was not her first offer and we felt very comfortable in her decision by the time she got to that point.</p>
<p>Squidge: Thank you for sharing your D’s experience! Good luck to her next year.</p>
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<p>Myluckydog, we had generally the same question last year, as D attended summer camps after her junior year. More specifically, we wanted to know whether she could talk to coaches about recruiting during the camp and they to her. In the end, we found the following direction on the NCAA website:</p>
<p>"13.12.1.4 Recruiting Calendar Exceptions…
Next Cite: 13.12.1.4.1 Exception – Recruiting Conversations During Camps and Clinics – Mens’s Basketball.</p>
<p>The interaction during sports camps and clinics between prospective student-athletes and those coaches employed by the camp or clinic is not subject to the recruiting calendar restrictions. However, an institutional staff member employed at any camp or clinic (e.g., counselor, director) is prohibited from recruiting any prospective student-athlete during the time period that the camp or clinic is conducted (from the time the prospective student-athlete reports to the camp or clinic until the conclusion of all camp activities). The prohibition against recruiting includes extending verbal or written offers of financial aid to any prospective student-athlete during his or her attendance at the camp or clinic. Other coaches wishing to attend the camp as observers must comply with appropriate recruiting contact and evaluation periods. In addition, institutional camps or clinics may not be conducted during a dead period. (Revised: 4/3/02).</p>
<p>Indeed, this is how it played out at her camps: every coach interacted with her during the course of the camp and no coach broached recruiting until the camp was over… but the minute it was over? Then the fun began…</p>
<p>^ Correct.</p>
<p>There was a young lady (on these boards/ and her mom was here too)
who went to the rowing selection camps the year before her Sr yr…
and she “talked to the coach of xyz U” “almost daily” …and the parent said they were “very close”…</p>
<p>There are lots of D1 coaches who feel the camps unfairly put athletes in front of select coaches who basically see long “tryouts” and have the benefit of the first crack at developing the relationships/recruiting etc…
And since July 1 often hits in the midst of camps, the kids can get a phone call from the coach…
There was an article about this issue that ran last year…</p>
<p>That being said, despite the “access”, from what I heard, the coaches did not make verbal offers during that time…
Invitations for OVs, yes, offers, no.</p>
<p>This was revised this year, from the NCAA Amendment 2011-48 -“In sports other than men’s basketball, to specify that it is permissible for an institution’s coach to engage in recruiting conversations with a prospective student-athlete during the institution’s camps or clinics.”</p>
<p>A coach can’t have conversion, recruit, nor offer a kid during camp. This is a recruiting violation. Coaches get around this rule by having the kid leave campus, then return 30 minutes or an hour later. When the kid returns to campus, it then becomes an “unofficial visit”, during which it is legal to engage in conversation, give tours, present offers, etc.</p>
<p>It is no longer illegal to recruit at camp for sports other than Men’s BB
From the April 2012 NCAA Legislative Actions,
1 2011-48 RECRUITING – SPORTS CAMPS AND CLINICS – RECRUITING CONVERSATIONS DURING INSTITUTION’S CAMPS AND CLINICS – EXCEPTION – SPORTS OTHER THAN MEN’S BASKETBALL Effective: Immediate In sports other than men’s basketball, to specify that it is permissible for an institution’s coach to engage in recruiting conversations with a prospective student-athlete during the institution’s camps or clinics.</p>