Very good grades, not-so-good test scores...

<p>My junior s. is a hard-working kid w/ a 4.0 in a pretty demanding schedule @ a public h.s. where 95% of the kids go to a four year school, sports w/ awards, good EC's w/ leadership, a part-time job ... and not-so-hot PSATs. They project to about 1100. He just took the ACT and will take SATs I and II in the next couple months. </p>

<p>He wants to stay in the West and thinks he wants to major in business, perhaps finance. When we visited schools, he loved USC, UCSB and USD. His grades could be a match, but his test scores ...?</p>

<p>Anyone have insight into Western schools that value grades over tests? </p>

<p>I should add that my older kids are at Berkeley and UC Santa Barbara, so I've been through admissions before -- but the older ones taught me about high test scores and grades-that-ought-to-be-better. "The Baby" has me on new turf.</p>

<p>Thanks for any advice.</p>

<p>I had a friend that got into UCSD last year with a high GPA (top 10 in a class of655) and SAT score that barely broke 1200 (he had to take the test twice). He got an deferred acceptance to UCB for the quarter following his application. I believe he got outright rejected by UCLA though. He's attending UCSD and doing quite well.</p>

<p>As you probably already know from your two oldest, The UC's use what is called a comprehensive review. That means they add extra points for things like coming from a poorly achieving school (which your son obviously doesn;t), special talents, overcoming challenges like low income, leadership, etc. So be careful in using anecdotal stories like welshie's because you don't have the full picture about what someone's "friend" had to offer.</p>

<p>For the UC's in particular, it pays to do your research. Does he rank high enough in his class to qualify under Eligibility in the Local Context?
If not, do his combination of UC GPA and test scores (SAT I and SAT II) fulfill the minimum UC requirements for scholarship (these are changing for next year's class by the way, becomming higher, but you can still use the old numbers to check)? Does your son's course work show that he took more than the required number of classes for each a-g requirement. Finally, what do the various UC schools use in their comprehensive review. You can find all of this information at <a href="http://www.ucop.edu/pathways%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.ucop.edu/pathways&lt;/a>. You can also find out info. there for each school that breaks down your percentage chances based on various test score levels, including UCSB. That said, I think he would still have a decent shot at UCSB if his SAT II test scores (and his writing on the new SAT ) are good. I'd also advise that he apply to UC's like Irvine, Santa Cruz, and Riverside if he likes them because they would be more within range. He might also take a look at some of the better ranked cal states - Cal Poly San Luis Obispo (but only if he is not going for engineering), San Diego State, etc. </p>

<p>I am pretty familiar with USD -- It's a great school, but they are, unfortunately, becomming more selective every year. I would say, however, that an 1100 SAT and a great GPA in a challenging curriculum, would probably be a match.</p>

<p>USC seems particularly concerned with SAT scores, Just checked for you and they rank "test scores" as very important. Their average GPA of accepted students last year was 4.0 so your son is on target there. Test score wise however, the middle 25-75% are Verbal 610-700, Math 640-720, Combined 1250-1420. I also like to look at the percentage of accepted students in each score range to clarify just what a student's chances are if they fall outside of the median. Here is the percentage of students accepted in the various ranges at USC:</p>

<p>Percent of first-time, first-year students enrolled in Fall 2003 with scores in each range:
SAT I Verbal SAT I Math
700-800 28.0% 4 2.0%
600-699 53.0% 49.0%
500-599 18.0% 9 .0%
400-499 1.0% 0.0%
300-399 N/A N/A
200-299 N/A N/A </p>

<p>IT's fair to assume that those in the lower categories have something else they're bringing to the table such as legacy status, sports skills, special talent, etc. So, I would say USC is probably going to be a high reach for your son unless he applies early.</p>

<p>One school that I know of in the west that makes SATs optional in the admission process is Lewis & Clark in Portland, ORegon. Instead of submitting SAT scores, they will let you submit samples of school work an dextra recommendations. Great school but on the small side with a quirky student body. You can find other SAT optional schools at <a href="http://www.fairtest.org%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.fairtest.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Other private schools in the west that I would recommend as solid back ups for your son in case he doesn't get into his top choices: University of Redlands (Calif), Santa Clara U (Calif), Willamette (Oregon), University of Puget Sound (Washington), Seattle U (Washington).</p>

<p>And, obviously, there's always a chance that with some prep work he could do very well on the new SAT and the ACT!</p>

<p>Thanks for your thoughts, carolyn. I appreciated the spirit of Welshie's suggestion, but UCSD's business offerings are limited anyway. </p>

<p>S. does plan to get test prep help over the summer (once he has April/May ACT/SAT scores to see if one test suits him better). I think he's not a candidate for Eligibility in Local Context, since his small public school is academic/competitive, sending 95% to 4 yr schools (always w/ a good HPY showing). His father has master's degrees from both USD and USC, but since our donations have only been to our undergrad schools, that might not help @ SC!</p>

<p>I like your private back up ideas. He likes warm weather and coastal locations a lot, but I think there s/b a trip to the NW in our future. </p>

<p>Do you think U of Washington is possible w/ his profile?</p>

<p>Thanks again.</p>

<p>NorthernCal, I feel for you and your son. My daughter is in a similiar predicament. Try as she might, and even with test prep and tutoring, she can't get her test scores to where they seem to match her grades.</p>

<p>U of Washington might be a good possibility. I'd also say take a look at U of Oregon.</p>

<p>His father has master's degrees from both USD and USC, but since our donations have only been to our undergrad schools, that might not help @ SC!</p>

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<p>Well, I can tell you that the PSAT are waaaay harder than the SAT. The new SAT is supposed to be crazy, but it still seems like kids do better on the actual test than the PSAT. I took the SAT's in october of my junior year (I took a prep class over summer), got a 1400. Two weeks later I took the PSAT, and it told me that I should've gotten around a 1240. So, it's a good indicator, but it isn't always right.</p>

<p>Thanks for the encouragement, riversk*er87, and congrat's on those SAT scores. And in Oct. of your junior year! Well done.</p>

<p>I always think of these boards as places KIDS go for support, and here you are making a parent feel better. How kind of you.</p>

<p>Your son is obviously tremendously intelligent and quite the sedulous young man. The SAT is only a test, and a beatable one with that.</p>

<p>An 1100 is a very transitional score. Bank on being able to increase that at least 200 points with some good solid review. Make sure he takes all 8 practice tests out of CollegeBoard's book and either gets a private tutor or a really good review book with a well-structured study plan. Getting into his top college will be worth all the time and money. Make sure he posts a postcard from UCSB onthe wall in front of his desk, or his desk hutch or wherever, so whenever he looses focus he can just look up.</p>

<p>If he doesn't read every night, have him start reading an hour before bed. If everyone did that, like I did, the national CR and Writing averages would shoot up 100 points, at least. Just make it an unbreakable habit.</p>

<p>In the end, the SAT is only a silly test, and not one worth getting rejected over. Do whatever needs to be done to get him the score he needs.</p>