<p>And they also suck from the economy too... What people don't seem to understand... is they are ILLEGAL...</p>
<p>Oh...and thats with a governor who many imagine will replace bush...</p>
<p>well, if you look at ahh-nold's recent approval ratings, it appears this number is shrinking (thank god)</p>
<p>The History Channel gave him the title of 6th greatest American on their show and Time Magazine had him as Man of the year for 2004...</p>
<p>croberts - euro is worth more than the doller...quite a bit more actually.</p>
<p>Icarus: I wasn't reffering to arnold...he can't replace bush simply because he wasnt born here (not that I would want him to).</p>
<p>If you notice from the rest of the post, I was talking about Minnesota governor/idiot Tim Pawlenty.</p>
<p>I have spent most of my life in California, Texas and Florida. I think Californians are very friendly, very diverse, and very accepting. (I am not a big fan of OC though.) The areas in which I lived were largely Republican, but I was willing to put up with that as they were willing to put up with a Democrat in the neighborhood!</p>
<p>croberts, it appears impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. I'm not going to waste time trying anymore. Thanks.</p>
<p>why is it that whenever California is mentioned the topics on this board must degenerate into a discourse on illegal immigrants? </p>
<p>This is AMERICA...the land of opportunity, where immigrants once flowed and we were PROUD to have them (most of us), we built our country on it, bragged about it, etc. We pride ourselves on being this melting pot of religious and ethnic freedom and tolerance - yet, suddenly, when, God forbid, those immigrants come from some place other than Europe.</p>
<p>Didn't read this whole thread cuz im a lazy Californian but everyone drives 90 mph on the freeway when there isn't traffic. Which is about half the time.</p>
<p>And for those of you wondering, i would say less than 20% of San Diegans surf on a regular basis.</p>
<p>"Didn't read this whole thread cuz im a lazy Californian but everyone drives 90 mph on the freeway when there isn't traffic. Which is about half the time."</p>
<p>Typically I'm happy if I'm moving along at 25 on the freeway!</p>
<p>405 at rush hour = pure evil!</p>
<p>Euro is stronger than the dollar, but it has been falling. Reasons: failure of the French and Dutch to approve the EU Constitution (working on it for two years); both nations were founders of the EU, or should I saw the then-EC. Also, the nations are fighting over the budget and PM Blair is fighting to keep the rebate Thatcher won in the 80s (which was a battle!). John Mearsheimer seems to have predicted the outcome pretty well about European cooperation.</p>
<p>Regarding the Gropenfuhrer: He's trying to make change and people are resisting. Personally, he's a RINO (pronounced like "rhino")--Republican In Name Only. I would've preferred McClintock. Plus, those wishing that Arnold is the next Ronald Reagan better forget it (not here on the board).</p>
<p>TTTR: Where can I get a list of the so-called "Greatest" Americans. Arnold being #6 sounds ridiculous. I can have the top 50 filled up without Governator being on it.</p>
<p>reading through this thread, u can really see that the citygirlofmom or something, is really a smart person</p>
<p>btw: u rock in the parent's cafe</p>
<p>my view on the subject:</p>
<p>i think cali peoples' image is cool in that we (long islanders) see them as the hippest to be, imo 2nd to new york city kids and not the other way around. anyway, most cali kids in our school are either homocidal (okay its only 2 of them) or extremely pretty and dolled up (maj). some are just regular people and you forget that sometimes</p>
<p>the image remains: surfer, loads of freedom, and grassy fields of Arnold</p>
<p>The only thing I like about California is Arnold.
But then, I've never been there so I'll reserve judgement.</p>
<p>this convo is hilarious! ive lived in LA all my life and am going to college in Philly in the fall. i don't have this deep hate for the east coast and don't really understand the whole rivalry but i will say that boston and ny accents annoy the hell out of me lol</p>
<p>i agree (i'm from socal and going to NY in the fall), this board is hilarious. maybe the west coast kids dont have a problem with the east coast b/c we never think about them...we're too self absorbed :) hahaa jk jk jk...</p>
<p>*Icarus: I wasn't reffering to arnold...he can't replace bush simply because he wasnt born here (not that I would want him to).</p>
<p>If you notice from the rest of the post, I was talking about Minnesota governor/idiot Tim Pawlenty.*</p>
<p>ah - my apologies then. I was thinking of all the other idiots who want to push for an amendment that would allow him to run for president.</p>
<p>Please excuse my delayed response:
Can't we all just get along?
If you don't like California, then don't come here.
If you don't like the east coast, then don't go there.</p>
<p>I am quite proud of California. I've been to many other states and Californians, just like anyone else from any other state, have a lot pride. Really, that's all there is to it. </p>
<p>P.S. I'm not a spoiled child (I, sometimes, wich I was) and USC was certainly NOT my second choice and I couldn't be more excited to be attending in the fall.</p>
<p>hmmmm i'm from new york, and i agree with what was said before, the general consensus over here is that californians are pretty chill, and that california is the coolest place in this country (other than ny). i actually was seriously considering going to usc, but in the end decided la was a little too much for me. when i visited i realized that there is so much hype about la and socal, especially over here, and that a lot of it isn't really true. don't get me wrong, i still love cali, and still consider it the only place other than ny that i would live in the long run, but i guess the lifestyle of ny is more my style.</p>
<p>Personally, I'm a little disappointed that the Northern/Southern California rivalry wasn't touched on further. I was expecting a few Hellas, at the very least. </p>
<p>/Kidding. kinda. </p>
<p>But alas, I wont touch the money issue. What Im curious about is whats with all the deeply impassioned responses?</p>
<p>I like where I live (South Orange County...apparently the sixth circle of H&ll or something). In fact, I like it a whole lot. I intend to move back after I graduate. I don't really care about where other people live. I'm sure it's nice, really. </p>
<p>Yeah, stuff here is expensive. Yeah, there's traffic. Yeah, some people are perhaps overly concerned in their own silly appearances. But I'd prefer a small house near the beach than a sprawling landlocked manse any day. And I stay off the freeway when I know it'll s_ck (this is a luxury, obviously, but work with me). Why should I care how much someone tans (and, in reference to a poster way, way above- twice a month is nothing, I promise) or how often they bleach their hair? These are all things I can control, to a degree: work hard for nice things, use traffic as an excuse to kick back and listen to good music, ignore shallow people. These are personal choices. If it doesnt work for you, well, Im very glad for you that you like where you live better. </p>
<p>Why all the whispering in the halls about the fake Californian girl or the dumb surfer dude? Like there arent girls in New Jersey hitting the FakeNBake? Or stupid guys in Florida*? Would it be any different if New Girl looked the same but was from, say, Kentucky? Why?</p>
<p>Ive never once met someone who moved here from out of state and thought, Gee, I heard hes from Dallas. I bet hes a cowboy or That girls from New York. She must be a b1tch. It seems, and I glean this from several earlier posts, that as soon as people find out someones from California, that person is instantly stupid/high/fake/incredibly cool. </p>
<p>I realize that the entire point of this thread was to explore what people thought of us, but I dont get why when it comes to our particular state, theres such a reaction. Obviously, displayed finely in the mudslinging thats gone on in here, there are stereotypes about everyone. But, for some reason, the C-word seems to bring out really strong emotions from all sides. Some of us are getting a little too defensive and some of us are attacking a little too readily. </p>
<p>Indubitably, California isnt for everyone. This is a good thing, especially for me when Im on the freeway. Or trying to find a parking space in Laguna. Or a place to put my towel in San Clemente. Im glad you like where you live, please stay there. Im sure youre a lovely person, but its crowded enough as it is. In fact, please, keep trying to convince people that its awful here. Their tourism dollars (oops, theres that money thing) dont mean as much to me as a clean, empty beach.</p>
<p>And dude. Please stop shouting at eachother?</p>
<p>//Sorry for the novella, I have lots to say. Comm. major and all.
///USC was MY second choice. Yay Bruins :)</p>
<p>*If you are a boy in Florida, Im sure youre not dumb. It was an example.</p>
<p>Being a California native (and I don't think there really are many of us), I find this thread to be hysterical. Keep it coming.</p>
<p>I just thought I'd mention that California is as diverse as can be. Southern California is a far cry from Northern California in many ways. The central valley is nothing like the central coast.</p>
<p>You have large city life, rural areas, mountain "villages", desert communities (perhaps even dessert communities). Claremont isn't Oakland and Eureka sure isn't Malibu. The weather at the Oregon border ain't the weather at the Mexican border and until we fall into the ocean, you aren't going to confuse Santa Barbara with Barstow. And don't ever confuse The UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TROJANS with ucla or leland j. stanford JUNIOR university.</p>
<p>But, with this said, we do all have tans, drive Ferraris and live next door to movie stars. Gotta go, having lunch at Spago. Have your people call mine.</p>