<p>palpableint.....i really love the color in work...i don't know if you're familiar with her work but you should def look at dorethea tanning's later work (she started out surreal...but i think you would really appreaciate her more recent abstractions)
what also impresses me about your work is the extent to which it is finished...i don't know about anyone else but i have SO much trouble staying on track with art...i always finish my work 3/4 of the way (or less) and start new things... as you can prob tell about half of the work on my site is unfinished ...and i just submitted it that way too /;...
weile- distortion is just what i do..i suppose you could say it's how i see things, but it's actually turning out to be a negative -- i'm beginning to get trapped by it- at least this is what my reviewers at cooper warned me to avoid. So i'm attempting to branch out a little bit and attempt more realistic (though not completely realistic- this will never happen hah) work... if you are as much like me as i think...it's seems that year one of art school is going to be a little hellish for us...my art teacher is always warning me about this- apparently at almost all art schools the first year is basically a meticulous/technical boot camp. I worry about appearing to be incapable of artmaking because realistic work often takes me a looooong time. i have this vision in my head of me before an easel with some pathetic out line of a figure...and next to me an artist who has nearly completed a gorgeously shaded composition. o well.
also about the distortion...if your interested in that style i have to recommend
"the triplets of belleville" it's a french cartoon...the exageration used in the illustration is really great...also you probably know of john currin - his work really inspires me</p>
<p>also...just out of curiousity palpableint- are you an art student?</p>
<p>actually haven;t heard of currin - will look him up. </p>
<p>i'm slow with technical drawings too. my art teacher has often told me to work faster. sometimes I feel a bit inept with still lives.. almost like I am lacking in some technical skills but I'm not sure what they are. It probably has to do with practice, because I pretty much only do people if I have my choice. (however my 6 feet 6 inches was a still life and i sat there trying to be meticulous and it didn't even look good.. i sent it on pretty much sketchy and unfinished, my mom thinks it looked not-so-good and she keeps saying that it might reflect badly on the Cooper commitee, like I didn't try or care enough to finish. this has me worried..)</p>
<p>technical bootcamp.. it sounds threatening, but i sort of feel like it would be good for me because I would end up getting better at abstractions. I mean, i would probably grow to hate it, but later on I could do the sort of thing that I liked and.. proove whatever.. then. but I really would like to iron out any technical problems as soon as possible, because I frankly don't want to worry about them when I've got other things to think about while doing art. will have to adapt that 'it's for the best..' attitude to make it through year 1! (but supposedly, years 2 - 4 at Cooper are you doing whatever you want and being checked on periodically!)</p>
<p>palpable intuition. an ongoing effort to find phrases that describe...art perhaps. life? i got really into "nihilistic delusion" freshman year. (such a dork). my school has this fat dictionary laying out in the library. and i was bored and waiting for the bell to ring for classes. so i checked it out...along the lines of buddhist philosophy. honk if you don't exist and all that.</p>
<p>i'm glad the writing's a happy thing for you. i say stumblebum because of middle school terrors...and the agony of certain public school crowds. i'm okay now. (deep breath) but i write better than i speak.</p>
<p>and i don't like pencil...it's an personal efficiency thing. using such a small point to cover even a 9x12 inch paper frazzles my nerves. but i do really like that shirt drawing...and the image manipulation of it. it was satifying to me because having an interest that is so subjectively places (the folds in the shirt) allows room for observational wandering. i can mess up as much as i want. but it still took a great deal of focus for me. i have to be more conscious of myself with pencil. if i use it like i do the paint brush, it's not so good. really not.</p>
<p>i guess i lack patience. ha.
and colleges...well, we know i didn't get into cooper. pratt and univ. of illinois champaign-urbana took me for the arts...i'm waiting on risd and carnegie mellon (the two most expensive choices).
so money's always an issue. i think i might end up heading to illinois for their scholarship offering...and so i can study outside of the arts. the program doesn't look terribly intense and the work of the undergrads there...definitely not as good as the stuff posted here. but they have good facilities and one of the best abroad programs i've ever heard of. i think i'd get along pretty well. who knows, you know?</p>
<p>i wouldn't be in a fabulous atmosphere for development, though. not like cooper or risd. i think there's something a bit stagnant about university arts programs. but i'm not well versed on the subject. so i really can't say.</p>
<p>ooh. i didn't realize there was more. cool.
currin and tanning. thank you for those names, michaelangelina. i wasn't familiar. i'm definitely going to be referring back to their work. tanning almost resembles okeefe in some of the stuff she does. but they are totally different. so i might have to take that back.</p>
<p>you know. i'm not sure what cooper's thinking...but it's strange what they say to you. don't get trapped in a certain style. i think it's so important when you find something that really pulls you in...like your distortions, mich-angelina. i really get this internal buildup...an energy i don't know how to vent looking at them. and that's where your power is. and as you develop...you'll shift and change...or incorporate and build on what you have already. i think they mistake focus or interest for stagnation...i mean...if they told you something like that.</p>
<p>again...i'm thinking gladys nilsson. she does one thing. and she's so into interplay of lines. all of her work is based on that same interest...lines. but, it's enriched her life...doing that work. dunno if you've all heard of the hairy who in chicago. 1960s...six people movement of sorts. actually i don't really know what it was. i always think dadaism. but that's not accurate.</p>
<p>and to answer your question, angelina. i go to a public high school. we aren't an art high school. but we do have a pretty good art program...especially considering we're way out in the rural nothings. so i guess i'm an art student of sorts.</p>
<p>i think Cooper is right to say 'don't get stuck in a style' but I also think that it is someting they don't really need to say to michealangelina. you're not doing it because you're thinking, 'oh, I'm a mature artist, Im gonna do all my stuff in this way because this is my identity as an artist and no one can change me' - i think really only less talented people will say that. Cooper should be able to tell that you're open-minded and teachable when they look at your work. (I think so anyway.) for you it shows focus, as palp-int has said.</p>
<p>I have a Picasso book with little quotes from him on each page, and one says something along the lines of, 'don't get stuck in a "style," keep growing and changing.' but.. I don't know.. I think it's almost unecessary to say it to someone who has really got the.. (how to phase this?) artist-mind. you're never satisfied anyway, especially not with a flimsy idea about yourself being an AR-TIST. (a la hipster people.)</p>
<p>I've just been reading messages posted by people who got in.</p>
<p>attack of nerves and .. various other things occuring. What. am. I. thinking. I am NEVER getting in, it's insane! INSANE! THERE ARE LESS SPOTS THAN PEOPLE FROM MY 6TH GRADE CLASS! now see I realize (by force): I can't really afford RISD and .. uh.. I don't want to live in Baltimore!</p>
<p>But uh, I think AM going to live in Baltimore. Isn't it weird how things narrow down, and you actually can get stuck with less than the ideal? I mean, obviously.. but. I kind of denyed it to myself that RISD was an improbability and just assumed I wouldn't get into Cooper. I still tried hard getting all the stuff done, but I really didn't care about getting in because I assumed it wouldn't happen. Now, suddenly, I want in. really bad.</p>
<p>What drives me NUTS is the feeling.. 'what are they doing that I'm not? Do they really have more potential than I do to be a good artist, are they worth more than I am? How is there always better, better, better.. and not just a bit, it seems, but exponentially?</p>
<p>I know it doesn't mena you suck if you don't get in, but I sill think, why I am less worthy, what am I not doing? drives me crazy man. I just want a chance from them but how do you convice.</p>
<p>weile, you're going through the same kind of crud i did.
but it's not over yet. your work...i think it's wonderful. and i know that's a generic word. but i get the sense that you're so unafraid to just go for it. that portrait you have posted on your devart site...it's more than my initial perception of it. everytime i look, it's so fresh, the lines and everything. few people can get that feel.</p>
<p>and if it makes you feel better, i envy the fact that you have the option of MICA. there's a popeye's chicken (or soemthing like that. did you see it? i ate there when i visited.) hehe. and for me, hey...that just makes it! but really, i've heard good stories. and i'm a pretty undefined and laid-back character, which would make it so much better if i went there. i hear the students have a different vibe. i really regret not applying. and it does have a fantastic painting program. that little booklet they send out has some of the best work of all the examples i've seen from other colleges. and the guy we toured with gave the most colorful and insightful tour of all the colleges i visited. you'll get to meet awesome people like that. just the personalities are vibrant. and you know...you'll be doing your thing with some of the best resources, i'm sure.</p>
<p>but it's not over. and i'm sure you have a far better chance than many other cooper applicants. it helps to understand that the admissions counsel are human beings...and they're looking at a lot of work. and they probably get sick of it like we all would. and you get that. i'm just being obvious. heh.</p>
<p>don't stress, is what i mean.
you'll get where you're going. and best of luck.</p>
<p>yeah. I don't doubt that all applicants to cooper feel the same way (except those with gigantic egos, hah) but I had to rant. had an intense need to rant.</p>
<p>you're right about the quality of the MICA work. I said the same thing somwhere above in this thread, that they have the best examples of student work of any school I'd looked into. I really wish their school was.. not in Baltimore.</p>
<p>I should stop stressing but not getting into cooper will still drag on me.. you know, asking 'why? what's wrong with what I'm doing?' and then, indignant, 'I'm not from a freaking magnet art school, I can't work on art 24-7, can't they see I can get better?'</p>
<p>but obviously I have to get over it. thanks for responding to my stupid self-centered rants. aaaa.</p>
<p>(and haha, no I don't remember popeye's chicken :])</p>
<p>Fragmented thoughts about Cooper Union; sometime after midnight; March 7, 2005</p>
<p>-here is my two cents. more than half of the people that apply to Cooper, just apply to see if they can "get in" to one of the most hardest art schools in the world. Thought probably goes into the hometest questions, but not a lot, and they probably take it pretty much for face value (like the 6inch 6feet question). And a lot of them do not know what they want to do with their life. Cooper definately wants to know that "you" know what you want to do with your life (I think that is where the questionarre comes in handy). So, there goes about 900 people right there .. and the next few hundred or so, are probably really good, but they show no originality/creativeness ... I don't know what I'm talking about really, but I'm trying to rationalize things and it's sort of alleviating the pressure in my head. </p>
<p>-I think for a school like Cooper, you sort of have to exude confidence/uniqueness/imagination in your work you send them. Everything from the letters, sketchbook, artwork, hometest ... etc. </p>
<p>-A similar theme I see in everyone that attends Cooper is they are passionate as hell about art. They breathe art, think it, dream it, eat it ... like if they couldn't create something for the rest of their lives, they'd just crumble up and die ...</p>
<p>No offense folks,but ENOUGH with Cooper Union. I never saw so many posts about one school, and it only takes about 30 kids per year! If you really want to keep posting about Cooper Union, they have their own thread under the Alphabetical listings of colleges for Cooper Union!</p>
<p>What can we say, we're passionate. </p>
<p>Anyways, I guess we thought (at least I did) this thread was pretty much dead after applications to art schools were done. I guessed wrong. Sorry to take over your thread, sir. </p>
<p>I've made the new thread: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=39023%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=39023</a></p>
<p>haha. I never saw a thread so passionate about a school. it was fun reading over what you guys talked about though. okay so I'll be either at Pratt, SVA, Parsons or RISD...I'll be back to post what school I've decided for sure-- on May 1st!</p>
<p>you guys do that too. whether in to Coop or not, just say what college you've decided</p>
<p>and best of luck to everyone!</p>
<p>Does anyone have info about Tyler School of Art? - in Philadelphia.</p>
<p>Actually, my wife met with the Dean of Tyler School, who was very nice. It's supposedly a very good program. Sadly, it is a stand alone program and not located on the Temple campus. However, within the next few years, they will be moving to the location of Temple University since they are part of Temple.</p>
<p>Price wise, they are a very reasonably priced school being part of the Penn State Univ. system. The quality of the school seems quite good, having most of the majors that you would expect a stand alone art school to have. </p>
<p>We didn't spend a huge amount of time there nor did we take a tour due to our schedule. You should check it out.</p>
<p>so is caughing up thousands of dollars because art school are infamous for lack of financial aid worth it? My first choice school is Parsons. And everyone in the industry knows of Parsons name and rep for fashion design, but they only gave me 6000 in scholarship money the rest has to come from mine or my parents pocket and I'm just scared because I will end up in debt 20k+ a year.</p>
<p>hey, i'm new to this site so i don't know if this post will show up in the right place...
could you please tell me more about your friends attending Cooper Union? How is their quality of life, and do they feel like they are getting the best all-around education? - including friends, enrichment outside of art, and other stuff?
-if you go to Cooper can you pursue studies in music or anthrolpology at Columbia or NYU?</p>
<p>hi</p>
<p>I just applied as a transfer student to RISD, PRATT, SVA and PARSONS, getting accepted to all of them. I really wanted to go to NY as the cultural scenario is extremely strong. I have heard that from the 3 colleges in NY, sva is the best. However, every site I enter talks about RISD being number one. I am extremely confused and have no idea which one to choose!! can anyone help me?</p>
<p>The answer may depend on your major. Also when you say you "heard" that sva is the best, the questioni should be "best in what?"</p>
<p>I think mackinaw is right! There is no "absolute #1", you should learn about best features of each school and match them with what you want to do and what you like. For example, if you are attracted to NY urban setting, then SVA and Parsons could be more attractive for you than RISD. You have to visit to feel whether you like it or not. But this is more about the environment. It is even more important to know which majors are the strongest academically in each of these schools. Being a "rookie parent of artist", I would appreciate if somebody more experienced would indicate the strongest majors in</p>
<p>Parsons
Pratt
RISD
SVA</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>