<p>Tetrafri - I see. If he is going to business grad school, it really won't matter whether he goes to Ross or not and I would also suggest the liberal arts education for undergrad. Given the difference in cost and quality of UMich Honors, I would also choose UMich.</p>
<p>i was also deciding between umich honors and other schools, the issue with umich is that it is very big and easy to get lost. also, the ross school is really competitive to get into, and very rigid (you can't study abroad if you are in ross). also, economics is the most popular major there in LS&A. thus, it is extremely competitve. i visited umich on campus day and spoke to an economics major. he said many upper level classes get smaller at umich, but upper level economics classes have over 100 students. you wont get any personal attention. both schools are great but washu will give much more personal attention and advising.</p>
<p>I got the call on Tuesday and I'm currently deciding between Wisconsin Madison and Wash U. I got into the honors program and something called international scholars at Madison, a small group of kids interested in international relations. They're giving me 2500 dollars to go abroad and 5500 national merit. At this point I can't see what would make me want to spend the extra 40000 for Wash U, but I guess I'm still doubting, or I would have just told them no right away.</p>
<p>wow did you guys do anything to improve your chances?
i just faxed my stuff today...</p>
<p>D got phonecall yesterday (see post #35 above). Today decided to turn down WUStL and go with Pomona. FYI, she did not qualify for student aid. This should open up another waitlist spot. Good luck everyone.</p>
<p>Thanks. We're excited about it!!</p>
<p>Hi Nervous1: They are two great choices Wash U and U Mich. I would have picked Wash U as a kid; I would have been overwhelmed at Michigan but my son is one of those RAH RAH sports lovers and the idea of a big ten school with great academics is very appealing to him, although he did get a little confused when the Wash U waitlist came through...it's hard to turn down the 12th best school in the country. He has friends at both places who are very happy. The kids we spoke to in the Mich honors program actually told us a different story. They said the honors kids are treated like gold: smaller classes, easy access to classes at registration (although they did say you need to be on the ball and register early) and fewer TAs, but I agree with you that would be an issue for me too, but my son is so psyched for Michigan there's no turning back. The other issue, was he is probably going into business/finance and the top 500 companies recruit actively from U Mich mostly because there's such great networking in those companies. While they don't recruit at Wash U, my Goldman Sachs friends said they look at kids from Wash U as well. My friends in finance all said if it was between these two schools they would choose by where they think they'd be happiest and that the career issues shouldn't even enter into the equation because both schools have a stellar reputation. Best of luck to your daughter, she's gonna love it there!!</p>
<p>According to a WSJ 2003 ranking <a href="http://www.collegejournal.com/special/top50feeder.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegejournal.com/special/top50feeder.pdf</a>, UMich sent more kids to the top 15 grad schools (156) than any other school except HYPS (being large helps). WashU sent 29.</p>
<p>Good to know, thanks!</p>
<p>It's interesting how many kids are turning down Wash U from the waitlist. I heard that last year they had an unusual amount of acceptances and ended up with an overcrowded freshmen class, so this year they waitlisted a lot more kids to avoid that situation. I think it may work to their disadvantage though as I find that the kids want closure; they want to know where they're going and put their stickers on their cars, etc. I'm not sure which my son would have chosen if he got into Wash U right away. After the waitlist, it left a bit of a bad taste in his mouth...he clearly wasn't in their "top" group of students whereas he got a ton of ego stroking from Michigan and all those things play into their decision too, I think. We have a friend whose daughter was deferred ED from U Penn (as was my son), ultimately got in (mine didn't) and chose U Mich anyway because she got turned off from Penn after the deferral...how crazy is that?! Anyway, I loved Wash U. They were the only school that sent my son a "thank you" for visiting the campus. They have a great personal touch and that can't be over looked, it means alot! I have noticed however with U Mich that you cannot find an alum who is not rabidly fanatical about that school...I don't know what they feed those kids when they're there, but I want some! Best of luck to all....we're very lucky in our choices.</p>
<p>^^^ exactly. I guess it just depends on the person, but for me, if I were waitlisted by a school I would immediately take it as a rejection and somewhat of a slap in the face if they called me some time later wanting a decision within a day. IMO, if a school really thinks you're a great fit and wants you to attend and is respectful of your time and feelings, they should accept you from the start. Obviously this is wishful thinking often just due to the competitiveness of the process, but a waitlist would probably 'leave a bad taste in my mouth' too.</p>
<p>may be just going for SAT scores at this point to keep numbers up?</p>
<p>I dont know how many they have called or intend to call. I dont know their methodology either. It could be totally random, it could be geographical mix. It could be SAT scores and GPA's, it could be matrix score they give all applications, it could be something like extracurriculars they are looking for, or it could be the ubiquitous financial aid question: does the person on the waitlist want money or not? Its a business decision.</p>
<p>As soon as the class is filled, however, they will cease calling and that is that. </p>
<p>They also know the longer they wait the less likely someone accepts as kids are now starting the bonding process with the school that they made their deposits. Which is why they have a short fuse on those they call....its thumbs up or thumbs down, and make it snappy, because there are a lot of kids behind you waiting in line. Not to be rude or anything, but its just the facts.</p>
<p>The fact remains, that kids...even those rejected outright, would all succeed and do well at all these schools. Success or failure depends largely on work ethic, creativity, personal habits (do they party or do they work?), are they spoiled and pampered or are they independent and thick skinned? They know that, and if they could admit who they REALLY want to admit and not have to publish it and get "ranked" by outside sources, it might make a huge difference. </p>
<p>Its a crap shoot to some extent. People can do well at any number of schools. They arent heartless, they are just limited by the number of seats available. </p>
<p>If they call, GREAT! If they don't, be happy and content no matter where you end up and focus on that, not on what you didnt do or what didnt happen. Look forward, not backward. Be positive, not negative.</p>
<p>Where did Teddy Roosevelt go? One of our most famous Presidents who was clearly a success in life? I believe it was Sewannee...the University of the South if my memory serves me.</p>
<p>For sure...look at Bill Gates, Steven Spielberg....tons of the most successful people didn't get into their top choices or dropped out (Gates dropped out of Harvard and Spielberg still talks about his three time rejection at USC)...I guess you really don't get over it!!</p>
<p>when do we get our rejection letters from the waitlist? id like to get a final response, they better be sending one</p>
<p>I received a call today but I was not home. My housekeeper took the number but the line has been constantly busy. Does this mean I was accepted or what?</p>
<p>JUST CALLED TODAY BY AN ADMISSIONS OFFICER. I have been accepted FROM THE WAIT LIST!
I had to politely say that I'm going to Cornell and could not attend Wash U. Wash U was not high on my list anyway. I can't see going to Wash U over Cornell. Their loss!</p>
<p>Yanks - that's the only reason they would be calling! Keep trying - or a email maybe?</p>
<p>For those who got the call, when you checked online, did they change your status from waitlisted to admitted before you gave them your decision?</p>
<p>I got off the waitlist today!</p>