Were You the ONLY Parent Who Said No?

We have never had to say no (at least so far; son is 17). We talk everything out with our son. If we had concerns, we would voice them. We would ask what he thinks/ how he feels. He is a very reasonable person. Given the respect he deserves for his own thought process, he always has come to conclusions we respect and can endorse.

I extend the concept of respect for children to other than my own as well. As an elementary school principal, I remember a conversation I had with the recess aides in which I remarked that “because I said so” is not an acceptable response to a child’s question about a directive. In a real emergency, it would be okay to say, “I will explain to you later but you need to do this now for safety”… and then get back to the child later with the explanation. Barring an emergency, share your reasoning! And when kids got in trouble and were sent to me for some sort of misbehavior, I would always have them reason out what they had wanted, why their choice worked out badly in how it affected themselves or others, and what they would do differently next time they were in a similar situation.

The way I see it, we are preparing children for independent thought and reasoning and decision making. My husband and I do not believe in the concept of blind obedience. How many terrible things have been done in history by people who believed in “just following orders” and committed crimes in war and elsewhere, or thought that a deity was calling upon them to ostracize or murder the innocent? Being responsible for one’s own decisions and actions is important.

That does not mean it is wrong for a parent to say no or that such an action will lead to something bad. At times, a parent may need to say no. But the manner of saying it is important. It always should be conversational and respectful, in whatever manner is appropriate for the child’s age/ development/ mental capacity.

And a parent should be open to being convinced by their child; sometimes, parents will say they said no reflexively and then regretted it but felt they needed to “follow through.” Why not just say, “I thought about it, and you’re right?”

A couple of other points in response to posts above: coming to chaperone your small child while he is swimming is not “saying no”… the child still gets to go to the party, but you are ensuring his safety. My child did not swim unsupervised until he was a teenager, and no parent ever objected to our staying at a party (in fact, most of his friends’ parents also stayed). This was never an argument; our son understood our reasoning and agreed with it.

And when they get older, having trust in them and having open communication is important. I remember one Halloween in middle school when my son came home and said that one friend had brought shaving cream and toilet paper, but that my son and then all the other friends said, “No way.” He was comfortable making his own decision, others followed him, and he was also comfortable telling us about it afterwards. That type of conversation helps a child process his decision making and reinforces his process. My hope is that he will carry this type of independent reasoning and decision making into other situations in the future, where alcohol or other drugs or hazing or other potential dangers are involved. And that when he makes decisions along the way and afterwards is unhappy with the outcome or thinks they were mistakes, hopefully he will process those as well and learn from them.

In short, supervision is part of parenting. But the best supervision also develops the child’s capability to make his or her own decisions.

I love your post @TheGreyKing

My son’s GF’s mother wanted to, as grad gift, send both of them to socal theme parks and was going to get them a hotel room. I said NO. Not appropriate. I am under no illusions that my son and said GF aren’t “active” but I can’t wrap my mind around how it’s ok to set them up in a hotel. My son understood why I said no and alternate arrangements were made for them to stay with a family friend.

I’ve never understood parents who only want to be their kid’s friend and not set limits.

Yes it’s difficult saying “no” and may be easier to just give in but nobody said parenting was easy…

You must be a great principal, @TheGreyKing.

I did say no a lot regarding social situations that didn’t seem properly supervised, though I was rarely the ONLY mom who did. If I could do it over again, I’d be less strict about the other stuff. One of the inscriptions in my oldest daughter’s freshman yearbook said something like: “See you at our reunion in 2011 - maybe by then your mom will let you watch 90210.” Don’t remember why that was one of my hills to die on, and I probably hadn’t needed to.

Our kids used to be mortified when DH or I would walk them to the door of a party and introduce ourselves to the parents if we didn’t already know them.

Or when we picked them up at 1 AM, allowing them to attend the coed party but not the coed sleepover.

And then there was the time my first grader was the “only” kid in the class not to have been to see Titanic at the movie theater.

Off the top of my head, I can think of only two notable permissions granted or denied. “No” to tattoos or extra piercings before age 18. “Yes” to my (white) daughter’s invitation to a (black) classmate’s birthday party. My daughter was the only white person in attendance. I mention this second one because there were parents that told their kids they couldn’t go.

These stories remind me that I probably owe my mother a pat on the back. Growing up I had a friend whose parents would never say no, but they always told my friend that she could do whatever it was as long as I could do it. Counting on the fact that my parents would say no! In other words, my friend’s parents copped out and let my parents be the bad guys, which was really not fair! My friend grew up thinking her parents were cool and would allow her to do all sorts of things, and that my parents were the stick-in-the-muds who spoiled all our fun!

Yes, I was one who said no.

My kids were the last to get video games, the last to watch certain shows/movies, the last to get cell phones. They weren’t allowed to go to certain houses or parties where I knew the supervision would be lacking. Younger son in particular would tell me how everyone was doing it. We laugh about it now.

On the other hand, I have said yes to travel and to trying new sports, classes, and activities.

My rising 8th grader thinks I’m the most restrictive parent out there because I’ve said NO smart phone and NO makeup in 7th grade. I got her a flip TracPhone which is all she needs to call us to pick her up from some place. She won’t even use it. The older two did just fine without smart phones in junior high. I see no reason why she needs one, especially since she has a history of losing things.

Oh, I thought of a few more: “no” to D2 riding with her friend and cousin on the friend’s dad’s private plane, piloted by the dad; “no” to D1 getting a horse; “please don’t” when D2 asked what I thought about her doing a study abroad in India (I was concerned about the treatment of women there) or Russia (there were some major terrorism incidents there at the time). And best of all (LOL): the “yes” to a post-performance drama club party, hosted by the parents, director in attendance for part of the party, at which the parents allowed their college-age (but not yet 21) son to provide alcohol to all the underage students in attendance. The party was busted. But hey, the parents (a physician and a nurse) were there. Sigh.

I also love @TheGreyKing 's post, though talking it out, explaining my reasoning and being open to changing my mind if presented with new info or after some thought (all things I also did) still sometimes left me at “no” and my child at “wish it were yes”.

So it goes, sometimes.

When my DD was 14 she won a one month studying at University of Salamanca in Spain that included airfare and staying with a host family. I was too scared to send her that far away for a summer and she never traveled alone back then so I didn’t let her. Looking back now when she goes to school 3000 miles away from home I think maybe I should have let her go to Spain that summer.

Ugh, smartphones are killing me! Oldest DD got one from husband end of junior year than complained when she was always on it. Go figure. Middle DD, soon to be college freshman, got one (again from dear old dad) end of sophomore year. Youngest DD is entering high school in the fall. I believe her when she says she is the ONLY one without one and so many teachers and coaches EXPECT them to have one that I am almost to a yes for the upcoming school year.

@katliamom

“Chuck E Cheese. We refused to EVER take them to a Chuck E Cheese. Just 'cos.”

WHY???

“And I said “no way” when my daughter wanted to go to camp with painted toenails when she was 11. She’s now 28 and still miffed about it.”

I don’t blame your daughter. I don’t get why your daughter couldn’t have painted toenails.

It is gratifying, now that both “kids” are adults, to go places with them and have them observe poorly supervised children and have them say “I’m glad you never let us get away with anything like that!”

Of course, when they were younger, we were the mean ones because we wouldn’t let them do things like run around at restaurants or bang their feet on the booths…

Not letting them do those things is just being a responsible parent.

@tonymom
Would you have thought differently if you knew there were two beds in the room? What were you so worried about if you figured they were already sexually active?

What I don’t understand is the mindset of all the “Yes” parents. Why do I have to feel like such a minority in saying No to a party with alcohol, or letting 5 16 year olds drive in a car together, when there is so much evidence that those are both dangerous situations?

I really don’t think the majority of parents would let they teenagers go to parties with alcohol present.

Why would it be dangerous to be in a car with a 16 year old driving?