<p>probably only current penn students will know this…</p>
<p>i’ve heard that most ap credits penn gives out are relatively useless, cuz they only place you out of intro-level classes that nobody takes anyway. can anyone tell me what ap exams will give you credits that are actually useful, so i don’t feel too bad about giving $83 to those avaricious blood suckers at CB? thanks a ton :)</p>
<p>In my school if we take the AP class we must take the tests.. but neway I think the most useful are BC Calc, which many Penn students say that the equivalent (Math 104) is horrible, and AP Micro and Macro.</p>
<p>Depends what school within Penn you're attending. For Wharton: AP Macro/Micro, BC Calculus, Statistics, and a foreign language.</p>
<p>i'll be attending CAS</p>
<p>so far:</p>
<ol>
<li>Macro</li>
<li>Micro</li>
<li>Calc BC</li>
<li>Stats</li>
<li>Foreign language</li>
</ol>
<p>how about the science/language/social studies classes, anyone know?</p>
<p>All you need to know is here:</p>
<p>what exactly is the "English Freshman Free," and how would I be able to use it?</p>
<p>Its 1 "free" CU not corresponding to any specific course. All it really does is free up a spot for something more interesting. </p>
<p>On "Day 1" you need 32 CU's (8 semesters x 4 CUs/semester) to graduate (more in some majors). If you have "English Freshman Free" you only need 31.</p>
<p>^ If that's all it'll get me, I don't think the AP Lit exam is worth it. Many colleges specify that it doesn't meet any writing requirements and others do not say what credit it counts toward.</p>
<p>Also, please elaborate on how Math 104 is horrible? I took the BC exam junior year and got a 4 and now calculus is no longer a language I speak :) Any suggestions?</p>
<p>is it possible to get 2 "english freshman frees" by scoring high enough on both the lit and lang ap exams? or can you only get one, max?</p>
<p>are the ap science exams worth taking since penn only gives credit for 091 (which doesn't even sound like like an intro level class) and no credit for lab work?</p>
<p>i heard at some colleges you can turn in lab reports for lab credit, does penn do this?</p>
<p>if you're majoring in a science, engineering, or any other major where a science intro class is not required, the AP exam doesnt seem very helpful. for bio and chem, you apparently have to take another placement exam to see if your AP credit can be "converted" into real Penn credit. even if you get this credit, you still need to take the respective lab course. however, physics C will you credit for intro physics though (so you only need to take the physics lab to get credit)</p>
<p>you can skip out of the lab component only if your school has a very rigorous, college-level lab course (and very few do). from what i hear, its a matter of handing your lab notebook in for review, and credit is given on a case-by-case basis.</p>
<p>i'm considering taking the placement tests anyway because i'm worrying about graduating in four years. however, i have no idea if skipping those intro classes will hurt me in later courses. the prospect of studying for the tests over the summer also doesn't seem very appealing... :(</p>
<p>If you are a premed you need to retake the intro science courses because med schools do not accept AP credit.</p>
<p>So - if i'm in the m&t program and bfs, there's really no sense in taking the ap lit exam because i will have to complete writing intensive classes anyways, and I will have more than enough credits to graduate, right?</p>
<p>If you get a 5, it means that you have to take one less free elective. This allows you to take fewer classes some semesters.</p>
<p>If I wanted to fulfill my pre-med reqs, though, I believe there is no advantage. Each year I already will have to take a bfs humanity course of which two could easily be English, right?</p>
<p>depends a lot on your major. the "free" credits are worthless. math, foreign language, and physics are really solid ones to get across the board.</p>
<p>cc77... you're m&t AND premed? that's insane lol</p>
<p>so am i correct in assuming that for m&ts, the "Freshman English Free worth 1 credit unit" is pretty much useless (assuming i can pull of a 5 on the lit test)?</p>
<p>If you're in the college, the free credit is worth a lot because College majors have like 10 free electives slot, so having more would give you some flexibility. For engineering and wharton, free credits aren't very useful.</p>
<p>College: AP ECON-that tends that be a difficult course here-, AP BIO & AP CHEM, basically look at the Penn website and try to see how many electives you can eliminate</p>
<p>Engineering: AP CHEM & AP Physics-for Bio you only get credit for 091 and I think Bioengineers at least start at 121. </p>
<p>PRE-MED: Its nice to take the AP science courses, but you'll probably have to retake them anyway. You'll be ahead of most of the students in your class if you do. However, I think that some medical schools do take AP physics credit.</p>
<p>bio AP credit gives you Biol91.
chem AP credit gives you Chem91.</p>
<p>If you aren't in a major that need a biology credit, then Biol91 should work as a free elective for you. Otherwise, if you are a biol major, then you might take a lab only class, together with Biol121 or Biol122 to have it counted toward your major. Otherwise, if your major requires Biol121 (such as BE), then you need to take Biol121 or take the placement exam, which will be held by the department during NSO in September.
You can take the placement exam for biol101, 102, 121 and 122. </p>
<p>Chem91: If you aren't in a major that need a chem credit, then it should work as a free elective, otherwise, you'll can do 3 things
1. Take the classes (which are chem101 and 102)
2. Take the placement exams (1 for chem101 and 1 for chem 102) and get the lab waiver
3. Take the placement exams and take the lab classes (chem53 and 54)</p>
<p>For physics: this is copied from the top of Penn's registrar website
STUDENTS MUST ATTEND FIRST LAB MEETING
TO SECURE THEIR PLACE.
.
AP CREDIT (1 CU) FOR CLASSICAL PHYS
(PHYS 101) REFLECTED ON TRANSCRIPT AS
CREDIT FOR PHYS 091.
.
AP CREDIT (1 CU) FOR MODERN PHYS
(PHYS 102) REFLECTED ON TRANSCRIPT AS
CREDIT FOR PHYS 092.
.
AP CREDIT (1 CU) FOR PRINCIPLES I
(PHYS 150) REFLECTED ON TRANSCRIPT AS
CREDIT FOR PHYS 093.
.
AP CREDIT (1 CU) FOR PRINCIPLES II
(PHYS 151) REFLECTED ON TRANSCRIPT AS
CREDIT FOR PHYS 094.
.
STUDENTS WITH AP CREDIT MAY TAKE A
STAND-ALONE LABORATORY COURSE. CONTACT
THE PHYSICS DEPARTMENT TO OBTAIN A
PERMIT TO REGISTER 215 898-3125.
.
THOSE WITH AN AP SCORE OF 5 ON THE
"PHYSICS B" EXAM MAY REGISTER (WITH PERMIT)
IN PHYS 011 OR 012 TO COMPLETE AND
RECEIVE CREDIT FOR THE LAB COURSES
CORRESPONDING TO PHYS 101 AND 102.
.
THOSE WITH AN AP SCORE OF 5 ON THE
"PHYSICS C-MECHANICS" EXAM MAY REGISTER
(WITH PERMIT) FOR PHYS 050 TO COMPLETE
AND RECEIVE CREDIT FOR THE LAB
CORRESPONDING TO PHYS 150.
.
THOSE WITH AN AP SCORE OF 5 ON THE
"PHYSICS C-ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM"
EXAM MAY REGISTER (WITH PERMIT) FOR
FOR PHYS 051 TO COMPLETE AND RECEIVE
CREDIT FOR THE LAB COURSE CORRESPONDING
TO PHYS 151.</p>
<p>For math: If you get the AP credit, you get Math104 credit which is usable for all cases. If you are not sure whether you should still take 104 or jump to 114, you should contact the department. I heard there's an exam you might take to determine if you want to retake the class. I got the AP credit, jumped to 114 and busted up my 114 grade though. </p>
<p>For Computer Science, it gets you the CSE110 credit which counts toward free electives and the chem engineering major but not other majors that require CSE120 and higher.</p>
<p>And last of all, I will be one of the Peer Advisors for the College in the incoming class. I am a Major Advisor for Biology, and I used to be in the Engineering school.</p>